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Postby swishnicholson » Mon Dec 28, 2009 23:32:24

mickbayne wrote:
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Woody wrote:This is basic return fraud, regardless of whether "you're only getting store credit." It's hardly any different than stealing an item from one store and returning it to another. This kind of stuff costs retailers billions per year


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Yes, it's wrong to lie, but this kind of stuff does not cost retailers billions per year. Lethal's posts from an earlier page did a very nice job of explaining why.


I'm not sure where to jump into this conversation, but I've worked for retailers with similar policies. Why do they have this policy? One, because often their customers will have legitimate returns, but will be unable to locate a receipt. Secondly, other people will receive items as gifts and not know where, or not be able, to return the item where it was purchased. In either case the retailer wants to maintain the goodwill of the customer and have them continue to shop in their store while avoiding severe economic consequences. Issuing store credit rather than cash, as explained earlier, helps protect them from severe losses, although when you factor in the amount of unsaleable or unreturnable merchandise and the time spent to process returns, some degree of loss is unavoidable.

The retailer knows a certain amount of fraud will occur, but balances this against the goodwill and loyalty created. Where I worked we would track the names of customers who made returns, and if there was evidence of abuse that person would be cut off from making returns.

Best Buy's stated returns policy is actually pretty strict, so the store is actually stepping outside its guidelines to provide credit in the situation described. Whether they continue to do so depends on the amount of fraud that occurs relative to the goodwill created. And it is fraud; the simple test is that you have to lie about it.
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Postby Woody » Mon Dec 28, 2009 23:42:32

phdave I can relate to your scenario. It took me years of subtle and/or direct hints to stem the tide. Maybe suggest that the serial gift giver goes to a childrens hospital or helps out with a charity by fulfilling Christmas wishes. Good luck
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Postby phatj » Tue Dec 29, 2009 00:23:32

Barry Jive wrote:how long til a back spasm goes away
this sucks

Six months and counting
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Postby SK790 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 00:32:50

Barry Jive wrote:Sweet, that's encouraging. Especially since it started when I was drunk on Saturday night and if I had to explain to a doctor what happened, I'd have nothing to say.

I hope it's gone by NYE, at least.


The back is funny because you can't really do anything to correct it other than chiropractic work, which is usually only a temporary fix. I've had back pains that lasted for 2 weeks, but most times, it was only a day or 2.

There's really no differentiating them, either. I had worse back pain when the duration was shorter, but other times the short-term back pain was less acute. All of this talk about back pain makes me kind of glad I haven't bowled since May.

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Postby Barry Jive » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:09:33

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Barry Jive wrote:Sweet, that's encouraging. Especially since it started when I was drunk on Saturday night and if I had to explain to a doctor what happened, I'd have nothing to say.

I hope it's gone by NYE, at least.

Well, you did fall off the stoop.


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Postby Barry Jive » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:13:32

I don't appear to have a bruise or anything and the pain is pretty local. I've never had back pain before this. So I'm not really sure what's going on here. I guess I can just try to hope for the best. Honestly, I've had much worse falls than that one off the stoop with no lasting effects.
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Postby SK790 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:15:25

I've had a couple of drunk ice-slips at PSU that resulted in 1-2 day back pain. If that helps.

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Postby Barry Jive » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:21:20

I'm sure I've had worse. I think if I'd remembered the fall off the stoop without a reminder I probably wouldn't have gotten so worried about all this.
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Postby SK790 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:33:13

True. Well over half of those ice-slips were not remembered without reminder. You'll probably be fine by Wednesday.

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Postby mickbayne » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:46:36

Woody wrote:
mickbayne wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
Woody wrote:This is basic return fraud, regardless of whether "you're only getting store credit." It's hardly any different than stealing an item from one store and returning it to another. This kind of stuff costs retailers billions per year


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Yes, it's wrong to lie, but this kind of stuff does not cost retailers billions per year. Lethal's posts from an earlier page did a very nice job of explaining why.


I promise you return fraud costs retailers in the US billions of dollars per year. Unless of course you were talking about the very specific quasi-arbitrage-bought-elsewhere-cheaper-and-returned-for-store-credit type of fraud mentioned in this thread.


That is exactly what I was referring to. None of the scenarios mentioned in the linked article were ever brought up in this thread (or if they were I must have skipped over it). Of course the fraudulent return of unsaleable or stolen merchandise would cost lots of money. I just see the original scenario as it was presented as being more or less harmless to Best Buy (or any other retailer that may have a similar return policy).
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Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:53:29

I'm going to be really embarrassed by this Dallas avatar in the morning.

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Postby Bucky » Tue Dec 29, 2009 01:55:17

OMFG

"CAST AND CREATORS" OF MST3K LIVE AT THE KESWICK FOR A 3 MOVIE MARATHON NEW YEAR'S EVE

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Postby pacino » Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:02:46

SK790 wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:Sweet, that's encouraging. Especially since it started when I was drunk on Saturday night and if I had to explain to a doctor what happened, I'd have nothing to say.

I hope it's gone by NYE, at least.


The back is funny because you can't really do anything to correct it other than chiropractic work, which is usually only a temporary fix. I've had back pains that lasted for 2 weeks, but most times, it was only a day or 2.

There's really no differentiating them, either. I had worse back pain when the duration was shorter, but other times the short-term back pain was less acute. All of this talk about back pain makes me kind of glad I haven't bowled since May.

I usually bowl 3 times a week and have no back pain. preventive medicine is the way to go here. proper stretching, back and core strengthening exercises are a must. ask your doctor or a qualified trainer for the best workout regimen for you guys
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Postby phatj » Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:09:07

mickbayne wrote:That is exactly what I was referring to. None of the scenarios mentioned in the linked article were ever brought up in this thread (or if they were I must have skipped over it). Of course the fraudulent return of unsaleable or stolen merchandise would cost lots of money. I just see the original scenario as it was presented as being more or less harmless to Best Buy (or any other retailer that may have a similar return policy).

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Postby BigEd76 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 02:56:43

oh noez...next Wednesday at 4 is my meeting with "The Bobs"... :|

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Postby kruker » Tue Dec 29, 2009 05:25:01

I think I got used. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
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Postby VoxOrion » Tue Dec 29, 2009 09:15:07

phdave wrote:Does anyone have any experience with being annoyed at a long-term gift giver? Is it ever OK to be annoyed about the gift giving behavior of someone you exchange gifts with? Or is the rule that you are supposed to just be grateful for the fact that someone cared enough to put in the effort to provide you with any gift at all?


I don't think you have to be grateful if being mean or spiteful isn't part of your motive. If the giver's motive is to show off, or they are being really irresponsible with their gift giving, then I really don't think there's any reason not to be annoyed or a reason to feel guilty. I think Woody's got the right idea - if the person insists on being extravagant maybe you can convince them that it'd really get your rocks off (because they're trying to impress you, or at least make you happy, right?) if they donated to a charity in your name - either that or try and counter it by donating the items or "paying them forward" yourself (sounds like you already do), assuming the nature of the gift allows that. I know Church's do auctions and stuff to raise money, I'm sure hospitals and other organizations do as well. My uncle started this about ten years ago, it not only stemmed extended gift giving sessions but caught on.
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Postby VoxOrion » Tue Dec 29, 2009 09:17:56

Bucky wrote:OMFG

"CAST AND CREATORS" OF MST3K LIVE AT THE KESWICK FOR A 3 MOVIE MARATHON NEW YEAR'S EVE

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/02004336BA2147F7


Cinematic Titanic (what they call themselves now) is really good. Direct to DVD/Self Published, better movies, less censoring... It's really the same as MST3K but there's more people and no set-up or puppets or in-between skits.
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Postby BassGuiFloyd » Tue Dec 29, 2009 09:44:56

phatj wrote:
Barry Jive wrote:how long til a back spasm goes away
this sucks

Six months and counting


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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:19:31

jerseyhoya wrote:I'm going to be really embarrassed by this Dallas avatar in the morning.

danrosz makes me do unfortunate things.

What was the bet again?

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