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Postby traderdave » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:05:55

Very interesting article from salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... ndex2.html

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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:28:35

Palin pre-empts state report, clears self in probe

Trying to head off a potentially embarrassing state ethics report on GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin, campaign officials released their own report Thursday that clears her of any wrongdoing.


Well there you have it. That clears that up!
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:42:14

traderdave wrote:Very interesting article from salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... ndex2.html

If true, there's some remarkable stuff in there.

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Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:25:54

A co-worker brought attention to me regarding this PBS online poll, which asks:

"Do you think Sarah Palin is qualified to serve as Vice President of the United States?"

Just thought I'd share:

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:30:14

I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.
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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:31:14

VoxOrion wrote:I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.


Oh please, you know you sent it out to your Neocon listserv
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Postby SteveJeltzPhanClub » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:32:22

VoxOrion wrote:I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.


In the e-mail I received with this poll, the author claims that Republicans have been flooding the poll. Based on that 49%, I tend to believe it.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:34:28

Lil' Vulture is becoming interested in the election. She's one of the few Obama supporters among her friends. Their debate involves hard hitting rhetoric like "Obama is a llama" and "McCain is a pain". She's been going around asking people who they're voting for. It's really kind of cool.
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Postby phdave » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:34:42

VoxOrion wrote:I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.


I voted on one of those polls. I voted, yes, she is qualified. Because she is. I don't want her to be president, but she is qualified.
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Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:37:03

TenuredVulture wrote:Lil' Vulture is becoming interested in the election. She's one of the few Obama supporters among her friends. Their debate involves hard hitting rhetoric like "Obama is a llama" and "McCain is a pain".

So, it's just like the real thing.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:37:33

Phan In Phlorida wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Lil' Vulture is becoming interested in the election. She's one of the few Obama supporters among her friends. Their debate involves hard hitting rhetoric like "Obama is a llama" and "McCain is a pain".

So, it's just like the real thing.


Pretty much. But they can rhyme.
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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:37:46

phdave wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.


I voted on one of those polls. I voted, yes, she is qualified. Because she is. I don't want her to be president, but she is qualified.


I'll assume you mean she's 35 and a naturalized US citizen
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 10, 2008 14:51:40

Purely anecdotal--just got off the phone with a former student who was a strong Republican. Huge Jindal fan, among other things, and at least at the time she graduate a year and a half ago, still supportive of Bush. Anyway, she's strongly considering voting for Obama.
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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:01:54

Although I actually listen to NPR quite a bit, I would imagine more conservatives listen to NPR than one would expect. Don't have much use for PBS though.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:02:36

VoxOrion wrote:Although I actually listen to NPR quite a bit, I would imagine more conservatives listen to NPR than one would expect. Don't have much use for PBS though.

You hate Elmo too.
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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:04:07

TenuredVulture wrote:Purely anecdotal--just got off the phone with a former student who was a strong Republican. Huge Jindal fan, among other things, and at least at the time she graduate a year and a half ago, still supportive of Bush. Anyway, she's strongly considering voting for Obama.


If she is because she believes letting McCain become president will destroy all notions of conservative philosophy I'll believe you. I've read more than a few conservatives who either didn't vote in 1976 or voted for Carter because they knew the whole Nixon era had to die. That I get. Otherwise, this sounds like on of those calls into conservative talk shows where they caller claims to have an "Obamakin" bumpersticker, I don't buy it.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:04:57

VoxOrion wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Purely anecdotal--just got off the phone with a former student who was a strong Republican. Huge Jindal fan, among other things, and at least at the time she graduate a year and a half ago, still supportive of Bush. Anyway, she's strongly considering voting for Obama.


If she is because she believes letting McCain become president will destroy all notions of conservative philosophy I'll believe you. I've read more than a few conservatives who either didn't vote in 1976 or voted for Carter because they knew the whole Nixon era had to die. That I get. Otherwise, this sounds like on of those calls into conservative talk shows where they caller claims to have an "Obamakin" bumpersticker, I don't buy it.


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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:05:15

TenuredVulture wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:Although I actually listen to NPR quite a bit, I would imagine more conservatives listen to NPR than one would expect. Don't have much use for PBS though.

You hate Elmo too.


I do hate Elmo. Wasn't Seasame Street founded on concepts like "don't talk baby talk to babies"?
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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:06:05

TenuredVulture wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:Purely anecdotal--just got off the phone with a former student who was a strong Republican. Huge Jindal fan, among other things, and at least at the time she graduate a year and a half ago, still supportive of Bush. Anyway, she's strongly considering voting for Obama.


If she is because she believes letting McCain become president will destroy all notions of conservative philosophy I'll believe you. I've read more than a few conservatives who either didn't vote in 1976 or voted for Carter because they knew the whole Nixon era had to die. That I get. Otherwise, this sounds like on of those calls into conservative talk shows where they caller claims to have an "Obamakin" bumpersticker, I don't buy it.


Are you saying I'm lying?


You know, I might be ::reaches for oaken box that contains the dueling pistols::
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Postby phdave » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:07:04

Woody wrote:
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VoxOrion wrote:I'm most shocked that 49% of people who go to PBS websites think she is qualified.


I voted on one of those polls. I voted, yes, she is qualified. Because she is. I don't want her to be president, but she is qualified.


I'll assume you mean she's 35 and a naturalized US citizen


Yes, of course. Also, she hasn't already been elected president twice.

What else goes into it? There are candidates who have more or less experience or better or worse experience, more or less talent, better or worse policies, etc. and these are the things that voters evaluate when choosing between two or more candidates, but to be qualified is a very basic characteristic established in the constitution.

I'm not sure what people voting no are thinking. Maybe they have their own criteria for the minimum type of experience that someone needs to have before they will vote for them, but that is different from being qualified. The constitution doesn't specify prefered qualifications, just minimum qualifications. So she is qualified.
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