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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Oct 09, 2008 14:54:06

VoxOrion wrote:You guys are nuts. She's dressed like a house marm and is wearing dark blue jeans that button up above her belly button. She's a nerd, probably a mormon.


Mormons vote Republican. Except for Harry Reid and Tom Udall.

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Postby VoxOrion » Thu Oct 09, 2008 14:57:42

jerseyhoya wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:You guys are nuts. She's dressed like a house marm and is wearing dark blue jeans that button up above her belly button. She's a nerd, probably a mormon.


Mormons vote Republican. Except for Harry Reid and Tom Udall.


Then she's some kind of weird Arkansas fundie. Probably handles snakes on weekends.
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Postby karn » Thu Oct 09, 2008 15:24:28

VoxOrion wrote:Then she's some kind of weird Arkansas fundie. Probably handles snakes on weekends.


WHAT AREN'T YOU GETTING?

TenuredVulture wrote:That pumpkin girl looks like she'd be on the right side of freaky.

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Postby Werthless » Thu Oct 09, 2008 15:42:38

jerseyhoya wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:You guys are nuts. She's dressed like a house marm and is wearing dark blue jeans that button up above her belly button. She's a nerd, probably a mormon.


Mormons vote Republican. Except for Harry Reid and Tom Udall.

Way to keep the thread topical.

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Postby Polar Bear Phan » Thu Oct 09, 2008 16:11:20

I didn't need a picture to know she was freaky. Just the fact that she carved a pumpkin to support a politican told me she was batshit crazy.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Oct 09, 2008 16:14:37

VoxOrion wrote:You guys are nuts. She's dressed like a house marm and is wearing dark blue jeans that button up above her belly button. She's a nerd, probably a mormon.


You are so wrong. She kind of looks like a librarian, but not just any librarian, the librarian nympho in Marian's avatar, but even freakier. Just ask Housh. He probably works with chicks like that.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Oct 09, 2008 16:27:13

Yeah, see before she got into the kind of social circles where the smart librarian look was appreciated, she had to do some freaky stuff to compensate for what she thought was a certain plainness.

And now she has a taste for it.

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Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Oct 09, 2008 16:58:01

TenuredVulture wrote:
VoxOrion wrote:You guys are nuts. She's dressed like a house marm and is wearing dark blue jeans that button up above her belly button. She's a nerd, probably a mormon.


You are so wrong. She kind of looks like a librarian, but not just any librarian, the librarian nympho in Marian's avatar, but even freakier. Just ask Housh. He probably works with chicks like that.



OMG, my lady is a librarian and she is freaky, but not carve a pumpkin for Obama freaky.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:00:23

Nice to see Obama speak to this. I wonder if he's got a great comeback and actually wants McCain to bring it up. It's a dare, John, the ball is in your court.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDz7iJYJXmE[/youtube]



Edit: And now Biden gets into the act...

"All of the things they said about Barack Obama in the TV, on the TV, at their rallies, and now on YouTube ... John McCain could not bring himself to look Barack Obama in the eye and say the same things to him ... In my neighborhood, when you've got something to say to a guy, you look him in the eye and you say it to him."


I think this is the political equivalent of flapping their arms and baaawwwking like a chicken.
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Postby drsmooth » Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:08:19

Houshphandzadeh wrote:And now she has a taste for it.


does it taste like punkin?
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Postby FTN » Thu Oct 09, 2008 17:53:53

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama plans to air a 30-minute commercial during prime time on Oct. 29, six days before Election Day.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the campaign has secured the time from CBS and is negotiating with other networks to air the half-hour spot.

Obama has been outspending rival John McCain in advertising and has been airing commercials of up to two-minutes in length. Ross Perot famously aired a 30-minute ad during his independent presidential campaign in 1992, attracting 16.5 million viewers.

Short political spots have been the traditional way for politicians to communicate with voters. For Obama, however, a longer piece would be a dramatic way to close his argument to voters.


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Postby Laexile » Thu Oct 09, 2008 18:46:19

Monkeyboy wrote:I would think Palin lost her mind, but I'm sure she's been directed to attack like this. I guess the old white guys figure that if they can't keep a black guy from being elected, at least they'll make sure it will be another 20 years before another woman is nominated for one of the big spots.

Seriously, I think she's doing real damage to the feminist movement. Like it or not, I think there will be people who will be less likely to accept a female nominee because of this debacle.

How is she doing damage? Liberals don't like her, but her unpopularity amongst them can only help female Democratic candidates as they'll want to show the country what a real woman can do.

She remains ridiculously popular with Republicans. Last Saturday she drew 16,000 people to the Home Depot Center to an event that wasn't publicized. The crowd went nuts for her. She's unpopular with Republican intellectuals. I don't think the Republican electorate is going to pay a lot of attention to the David Frums of the country. If McCain loses then Palin goes back to being Governor of Alaska. She was very popular and has a number of achievements in her time in office. She'll likely be re-elected and would be one of the favorites for the 2012 Republican Presidential nomination. No matter what happens next month she's not going away.

That only leaves independents. Maybe some will be less likely to vote for a woman. Maybe some won't.
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Postby The Dude » Thu Oct 09, 2008 19:42:49

It wasn't publicized, yet everyone knew about it. The Dems had enough time to rent out a digital billboard across the street from it, and had people sending in comments and questions. Plus people needed tickets to get in.
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Postby FTN » Thu Oct 09, 2008 20:47:06

Just look at the videotapes of the angry, hateful hordes attending these rallies — screaming that Obama is a socialist; that he’s both a Muslim and a terrorist as proven by his “bloodline” and his name; that his supporters are “commie ####s”; that he’s guilty of treason; underscored by increasing racial invective and even punctuated in one case by a call from an audience member for someone to be killed. These aren’t just isolated individuals; these sentiments are common at these rallies and becoming increasingly virulent and enraged — at the rallies and otherwise:

A billboard in West Plains, Mo., showing a caricature of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama wearing a turban has caused quite a stir in town.

The sign, located south of West Plains on U.S. 63 across from the Dairy Queen, says: “Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama equals more abortions, same sex marriages, taxes, gun regulations.”


And worst of all, all of this rage and this innuendo is taking place in the most volatile climate of all — one of severe economic distress and anxiety — and these mobs are increasingly becoming convinced, because the Right and the McCain/Palin campaign is leading them to believe it, that this economic crisis is the fault of the black candidate — Obama — for making banks give mortgages to racial minorities. As an email printed just now by Jonah Goldberg put it — defending someone at a McCain/Palin rally today who screamed he was “very angry” at Obama the “socialist”:

He, and the rest of the conservatives in this country are sick and tired of being taken for granted, having our money stolen by the government and given to lazy, ungrateful people who don’t contribute or produce (or often, aren’t even citizens) anything.


This is what happens when you stoke the fury and resentments of people looking for scapegoats and work them into a blind rage. And they didn’t just pop up and start believing this. They’re saying this because the core premise of the McCain/Palin campaign has become that Barack Hussein Obama is a Terrorist-sympathizer, being funded by secret Arab sources, who hates the military and the troops. As McCain now asks in his most sinister tone in every speech: Who is the real Barack Obama? As National Review’s illustratively deranged Andy McCarthy put it: ” Someone is either a terrorist sympathizer or he isn’t; someone is either disqualified as a terrorist sympathizer or he’s qualified for public office.”


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Oct 09, 2008 21:01:48

FTN wrote:
Just look at the videotapes of the angry, hateful hordes attending these rallies — screaming that Obama is a socialist; that he’s both a Muslim and a terrorist as proven by his “bloodline” and his name; that his supporters are “commie $#@!”; that he’s guilty of treason; underscored by increasing racial invective and even punctuated in one case by a call from an audience member for someone to be killed. These aren’t just isolated individuals; these sentiments are common at these rallies and becoming increasingly virulent and enraged — at the rallies and otherwise:

A billboard in West Plains, Mo., showing a caricature of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama wearing a turban has caused quite a stir in town.

The sign, located south of West Plains on U.S. 63 across from the Dairy Queen, says: “Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama equals more abortions, same sex marriages, taxes, gun regulations.”


And worst of all, all of this rage and this innuendo is taking place in the most volatile climate of all — one of severe economic distress and anxiety — and these mobs are increasingly becoming convinced, because the Right and the McCain/Palin campaign is leading them to believe it, that this economic crisis is the fault of the black candidate — Obama — for making banks give mortgages to racial minorities. As an email printed just now by Jonah Goldberg put it — defending someone at a McCain/Palin rally today who screamed he was “very angry” at Obama the “socialist”:

He, and the rest of the conservatives in this country are sick and tired of being taken for granted, having our money stolen by the government and given to lazy, ungrateful people who don’t contribute or produce (or often, aren’t even citizens) anything.


This is what happens when you stoke the fury and resentments of people looking for scapegoats and work them into a blind rage. And they didn’t just pop up and start believing this. They’re saying this because the core premise of the McCain/Palin campaign has become that Barack Hussein Obama is a Terrorist-sympathizer, being funded by secret Arab sources, who hates the military and the troops. As McCain now asks in his most sinister tone in every speech: Who is the real Barack Obama? As National Review’s illustratively deranged Andy McCarthy put it: ” Someone is either a terrorist sympathizer or he isn’t; someone is either disqualified as a terrorist sympathizer or he’s qualified for public office.”


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/


I'll probably be dismissed as hopeless naive, but I'd like to think this strategy only serves to further marginalize the right wing in this country.
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Postby Laexile » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:34:56

FTN wrote: this economic crisis is the fault of the black candidate — Obama — for making banks give mortgages to racial minorities.

We know this isn't true. Nancy Pelosi got on the floor of the House and announced it's all the fault of the greedy Republicans.

Gallup did a poll about whether Obama's race is a plus or a minus. The poll indicates the positive effects will balance the negative effects. While white people may lie about race being an issue I imagine that people aren't that forthcoming about being more likely to vote for him because he's black. One thing not noted is how many people voting on race wouldn't have voted if an African-American weren't in the race.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Oct 09, 2008 23:35:51

DUDE THREAD IS ON LOCK FOR A DAY

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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Oct 10, 2008 00:06:39

Down the rabbit hole McCain goes, taking his followers with him.

Am I wrong in being concerned that someone will take Obama out? I was only slightly worried about it before, but people are yelling "kill him" at Palin's events. You could see McCain wince when someone yelled "terrorist" about Obama at one of McCain's rallies, but McCain has the power to stop it and does nothing.
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Postby gr » Fri Oct 10, 2008 00:12:46

i believe the "kill him" thing was one guy, one time. certainly no one from the leftist most part of the spectrum has said anything about bush and his similarities to hitler.
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Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Oct 10, 2008 05:40:27

gr wrote:i believe the "kill him" thing was one guy, one time. certainly no one from the leftist most part of the spectrum has said anything about bush and his similarities to hitler.



One is calling for someone's death and the other is a crude comparison to a dead tyrant. I don't see the similarity. And it wasn't just one guy. "Off with his head" was heard at another rally.

I find it hard to believe these people all started yelling stuff at the same time. I suspect some were plants to get the crowd all fired up and it got out of hand. Even if it's all spontaneous crowd reaction, the candidates owe the public good an effort to reign it in before some idiot thinks he's doing the public bidding by taking a shot at Obama. Most of this is within McCain's control, if he wants to make the effort.
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