pacino wrote:FWIW, Kilpatrick was disliked outside Detroit BEFORE any charges, before his first term, etc. People just didn't like him in the suburbs.

housh - Nutter IS liked, though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick#Controversies

It's quite a list, really.

Re: Nutter being liked. Rendell was liked in the suburbs too. I don't think for a mayor to be effective, the suburbs have to hate him.

jerseyhoya wrote:Kilpatrick is about as unpopular among Michigan residents who live outside Detroit as George W. Bush would be at a dinner party at dajafi's apartment attended by P-t-K and Dennis Kucinich.

I resent the implication here. Assuming I could keep down the first wave of rage, Bush and I could talk baseball. As could PtK, at least in theory. Kucinich (D-Alpha Centauri) would be the guy who, after badly telling his one Rocky Colavito story, would be awkwardly looking through my CDs and trying to telepathically commune with the cats.

Philly and Detroit are pretty different

I don't think the people who live outside Detroit even like Detroit itself

karn wrote:Watching Sarah Palin regurgitate her convention speech verbatim to the lapping swell of mindless cattle in wherever, USA is making me sick to my stomach all over again. This is not a someone with ideas to improve America. This is the joke that's going to start the whole world crying. A perfectly average in every way person is being paraded across America under phony pretenses that she's a qualified leader. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see the Republicans use her as a tool to get elected then pull the rug out from under her once in office through some sort of internally devised scandal. That's actually the logical next step in this scripted nightmare. This election now has all the makings of a classical farce. I'm dumbfounded.

Watch it Karn, that kind of talk could get you branded a "conspiracy theorist" round these here parts...

Just had a chance to see McCain's speech. Not bad, but I just don't get how he and Palin can keep straight face and act like they are somehow agents of change. They both mentioned how things have been a mess and they are going to change it, but McCain has been right in the middle of making things a mess. It's like he's bashing himself, but he doesn't realize he's bashing himself. Is it possible he's so senile that he doesn't remember his votes from the past 5 years?

I honestly haven't seen anything quite like it in my time following politics. The arrogance it takes to stand up there and act like he's somehow been someone else for the past 5 years is really an amazing thing to see. He thinks we're all morons, he really does. But then he's an elitist/super rich guy, so I shouldn't be surprised. I'm sure he thinks we commoners don't pay any attention.

dajafi wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Kilpatrick is about as unpopular among Michigan residents who live outside Detroit as George W. Bush would be at a dinner party at dajafi's apartment attended by P-t-K and Dennis Kucinich.

I resent the implication here. Assuming I could keep down the first wave of rage, Bush and I could talk baseball. As could PtK, at least in theory. Kucinich (D-Alpha Centauri) would be the guy who, after badly telling his one Rocky Colavito story, would be awkwardly looking through my CDs and trying to telepathically commune with the cats.

his cute hippie wife could bring the organic beer.

gr wrote:

dajafi wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Kilpatrick is about as unpopular among Michigan residents who live outside Detroit as George W. Bush would be at a dinner party at dajafi's apartment attended by P-t-K and Dennis Kucinich.

I resent the implication here. Assuming I could keep down the first wave of rage, Bush and I could talk baseball. As could PtK, at least in theory. Kucinich (D-Alpha Centauri) would be the guy who, after badly telling his one Rocky Colavito story, would be awkwardly looking through my CDs and trying to telepathically commune with the cats.

his cute hippie wife could bring the organic beer.

My god, I totally forgot about her.

That turns around the whole situation. But you know she'd be leaving with P-2tha-K.

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The Sarah Palin Vet This! part is pretty funny. It is about 3 and a half minutes in.

I know this is supposed to be funny, but its really scary because the exposed all the bs and techniques... especially about Change ...

dajafi wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Kilpatrick is about as unpopular among Michigan residents who live outside Detroit as George W. Bush would be at a dinner party at dajafi's apartment attended by P-t-K and Dennis Kucinich.

I resent the implication here. Assuming I could keep down the first wave of rage, Bush and I could talk baseball. As could PtK, at least in theory. Kucinich (D-Alpha Centauri) would be the guy who, after badly telling his one Rocky Colavito story, would be awkwardly looking through my CDs and trying to telepathically commune with the cats.

Assuming I didn't offend Dajafi's wife with the farmer's market organic food I brought over -- then we'd bond over Philly sports -- n -- make inisde jokes W was too stupid to follow ... Kucinich would sit in the corner looking weird ... then we'd play a game of Risk, that would be telling when W proclaimed, "I'm the King of the World" ... i'd be sayin my adieu's and grabbing a yellow cab...

No, no, she'd really dig the organic food.

I'd be offended by it, but I can whip up Kraft mac 'n' cheese like nobody's bidness.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Philly and Detroit are pretty different

I don't think the people who live outside Detroit even like Detroit itself

A lot of people outside Philly don't like Philly.

theyre called douchebags oh snap

Maybe the older generation, but the resurgence of people coming into the city over the past 10 years has been huge

dajafi wrote:

gr wrote:

dajafi wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Kilpatrick is about as unpopular among Michigan residents who live outside Detroit as George W. Bush would be at a dinner party at dajafi's apartment attended by P-t-K and Dennis Kucinich.

I resent the implication here. Assuming I could keep down the first wave of rage, Bush and I could talk baseball. As could PtK, at least in theory. Kucinich (D-Alpha Centauri) would be the guy who, after badly telling his one Rocky Colavito story, would be awkwardly looking through my CDs and trying to telepathically commune with the cats.

his cute hippie wife could bring the organic beer.

My god, I totally forgot about her.

That turns around the whole situation. But you know she'd be leaving with P-2tha-K.

one of my friends at my job looks alot like her, come to think of it.

OMG, she looks like an alien in that picture. Shirley McClain was right, they are already among us!

BTW, anyone else notice that in the "15,000 words spoken by McCain, Palin, Lieberman, Thompson, Giuliani, Romney and Huckabee," the GOP didn't mention the troops' sacrifice once, except for one line by McCain?

I guess if you're getting people killed, it's best to skip the subject. But still, the GOP and no troop mention? That's gotta be deliberate, though I guess maybe they were too busy talking about 9/11 and McCain's torture experience to get around to it.

No troop talk

Monkeyboy wrote:OMG, she looks like an alien in that picture. Shirley McClain was right, they are already among us!

might explain why she married kucinich

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes. Amazingly most rock stars are not Republicans, and replaying Ted Nugent songs gets old. I don't get the legalities of it, but it doesn't make all that much sense to me that the artists would have any say over who plays their song.

Off the top of my head, in addition to Nugent, I can think of Sammy Hagar, Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and Johnny Ramone as other Republican rockers. Add to that all the country stars who lean right and the easy listening types like Tony Orlando who are in the GOP and they really shouldn't have to keep falling into this problem of using music from a scene that is almost diametrically opposed to their viewpoint.

Anyone who knows Heart at all would not be at all surprised that they wouldn't want their music used by Republicans - they started out on the Canadian music scene because most of the men in the band were avoiding service in the Vietnam War.

Seems like the Republicans vet their background music about as well as their VP nominees.

BuddyGroom wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Yes. Amazingly most rock stars are not Republicans, and replaying Ted Nugent songs gets old. I don't get the legalities of it, but it doesn't make all that much sense to me that the artists would have any say over who plays their song.

Off the top of my head, in addition to Nugent, I can think of Sammy Hagar, Jeff "Skunk" Baxter and Johnny Ramone as other Republican rockers. Add to that all the country stars who lean right and the easy listening types like Tony Orlando who are in the GOP and they really shouldn't have to keep falling into this problem of using music from a scene that is almost diametrically opposed to their viewpoint.

Anyone who knows Heart at all would not be at all surprised that they wouldn't want their music used by Republicans - they started out on the Canadian music scene because most of the men in the band were avoiding service in the Vietnam War.

Seems like the Republicans vet their background music about as well as their VP nominees.

The music at the Republican convention was already pretty lame. Lots of bad 80s music, I heard September by Earth Wind and Fire a few times (though I like that song) and mostly just tired ass clear channel junk. Then these fat middle aged white people would try dancing. It was comical.

But you sir are cruel, condemning those people to crappy country and western (because all the good country songs are going to make you cry and really don't suit the occasion) and Sammy Hagar.

Oh, I don't know, I may be a (very) partisan Democrat, but I'll admit to liking "Cat Scratch Fever" "Wango Tango" and even "I Can't Drive 55".