Biden is killing it on Meet The Press

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Biden is killing it on Meet The Press

maybe so, but he isn't involved in a prank contest between Valley and Bayside so I'm not watching it!

Bayside won the prank war folks!

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Biden is killing it on Meet The Press

The answer he just gave on abortion is, to me, the absolutely perfect and correct answer.

I would love to see him ask Palin in the debate why she feels that she has the right to impose her religious beliefs on everyone else.

What was the answer he gave?

Dude on CNN:

"I haven't heard anything from the Obama camp in a week."

ummm...

CalvinBall wrote:What was the answer he gave?

Essentially that as a Roman Catholic he believes that life begins at conception but that does not give him the right to make abortions illegal because it is imposes his religious beliefs on those who hold equally strong beliefs of their own. The answer was more involved but it discussed abortion from the point of view that I have always held. It is not about what you believe but your right to force your beliefs on others.

Why won't they let Palin face the press for real?! I think that's ground alone to disqualify her credibility.

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I will be surprised if, barring any unforeseen developments, this race isn't basically tied by the beginning of next week.

It's arguably basically tied right now

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

This is at 4.4. It will be within 1.5 by Tuesday.

Obama +0.8

kimbatiste wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:What was the answer he gave?

Essentially that as a Roman Catholic he believes that life begins at conception but that does not give him the right to make abortions illegal because it is imposes his religious beliefs on those who hold equally strong beliefs of their own. The answer was more involved but it discussed abortion from the point of view that I have always held. It is not about what you believe but your right to force your beliefs on others.

When life begins isn't a religious question. It's a medical question. Life doesn't begin at conception for a Roman Catholic and some time later for Atheists. I have no idea when life begins but if aborting a Catholic fetus is murder than aborting a non-Catholic one is too.

If Biden's religion preaches that homosexuality is wrong but he doesn't want to impose that on others that's commendable. You shouldn't force your beliefs on others. Does Biden believe that killing the unborn is murder? If so, he should think it's wrong. I certainly hope he doesn't think it's murder for Catholics to have abortions but just fine for anyone else. Biden is having it both ways here. He gets to be a good Catholic and favor allowing abortion.

Or he doesn't judge others(as catholics are taught) and only lives his own life upon the values he was taught while not forcing them on others. (as he was taught)

So pretty much he is being the good catholic.

Are you even Catholic? Do you have even a clue of what you are talking about? I don't think you do.

Trying to use Catholicism to justify being pro-choice is absurd.

My point is that Catholicism is one giant paradox. Criticizing someone for not falling into the mainstream view of a religion that is so utterly confusing on what they(also one of the more retarded parts of this religion) expect from you is ridiculous.

Laexile wrote:

kimbatiste wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:What was the answer he gave?

Essentially that as a Roman Catholic he believes that life begins at conception but that does not give him the right to make abortions illegal because it is imposes his religious beliefs on those who hold equally strong beliefs of their own. The answer was more involved but it discussed abortion from the point of view that I have always held. It is not about what you believe but your right to force your beliefs on others.

When life begins isn't a religious question. It's a medical question. Life doesn't begin at conception for a Roman Catholic and some time later for Atheists. I have no idea when life begins but if aborting a Catholic fetus is murder than aborting a non-Catholic one is too.

If Biden's religion preaches that homosexuality is wrong but he doesn't want to impose that on others that's commendable. You shouldn't force your beliefs on others. Does Biden believe that killing the unborn is murder? If so, he should think it's wrong. I certainly hope he doesn't think it's murder for Catholics to have abortions but just fine for anyone else. Biden is having it both ways here. He gets to be a good Catholic and favor allowing abortion.

You can't be serious with this stuff?

Biden can hold any personal belief he wants, but this country last time i checked separate Church and State and is a secular nation. No one gets to tell others what to believe or to inflic their views, especially religious one on the rest of us. What he believes personally is not in play with how he is supposed to govern.

(he also doesn't own 12 houses)

Biden's in debt. In that regard, he is more like the average American that most Congressmen. He does not seem to be too slick with his own personal finances.

jerseyhoya wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

drsmooth wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:I will be surprised if, barring any unforeseen developments, this race isn't basically tied by the beginning of next week.

It's arguably basically tied right now

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

This is at 4.4. It will be within 1.5 by Tuesday.

Obama +0.8

I wonder if we'll start seeing some pushback. I kinda think whatever benefit you're likely to get from Palin is over. Sort of like Dukakis's convention bounce, it'll start to erode pretty quickly.

Palin to do an interview with Charlie Gibson later this week.

Laexile wrote:

kimbatiste wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:What was the answer he gave?

Essentially that as a Roman Catholic he believes that life begins at conception but that does not give him the right to make abortions illegal because it is imposes his religious beliefs on those who hold equally strong beliefs of their own. The answer was more involved but it discussed abortion from the point of view that I have always held. It is not about what you believe but your right to force your beliefs on others.

When life begins isn't a religious question. It's a medical question. Life doesn't begin at conception for a Roman Catholic and some time later for Atheists. I have no idea when life begins but if aborting a Catholic fetus is murder than aborting a non-Catholic one is too.

If Biden's religion preaches that homosexuality is wrong but he doesn't want to impose that on others that's commendable. You shouldn't force your beliefs on others. Does Biden believe that killing the unborn is murder? If so, he should think it's wrong. I certainly hope he doesn't think it's murder for Catholics to have abortions but just fine for anyone else. Biden is having it both ways here. He gets to be a good Catholic and favor allowing abortion.

Yes, life does begin at different times for different people because the question is when does an unborn fetus attain protectible life. To assert otherwise is just using your own biased and self-serving definition of life. Medical people may assert that life begins when the fetus can be self-sustaining - something that occurs much later then conception.

You have really lost all objectivity. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with believing, as a Catholic, that abortion is wrong but fine for other people to do it. I would not want my daughter to have abortion - I make no judgments on what is best for other people.

Laexile wrote:

kimbatiste wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:What was the answer he gave?

Essentially that as a Roman Catholic he believes that life begins at conception but that does not give him the right to make abortions illegal because it is imposes his religious beliefs on those who hold equally strong beliefs of their own. The answer was more involved but it discussed abortion from the point of view that I have always held. It is not about what you believe but your right to force your beliefs on others.

When life begins isn't a religious question. It's a medical question. Life doesn't begin at conception for a Roman Catholic and some time later for Atheists. I have no idea when life begins but if aborting a Catholic fetus is murder than aborting a non-Catholic one is too.

If Biden's religion preaches that homosexuality is wrong but he doesn't want to impose that on others that's commendable. You shouldn't force your beliefs on others. Does Biden believe that killing the unborn is murder? If so, he should think it's wrong. I certainly hope he doesn't think it's murder for Catholics to have abortions but just fine for anyone else. Biden is having it both ways here. He gets to be a good Catholic and favor allowing abortion.

I think this is an excellent response, LaX. Ultimately, I've decided that there are way too many other things wrong in this world to fight a battle over abortion with Democrats. But this Catholic response is either stupid or intentionally misleading. I mean, if you view it as a person being murdered, OF COURSE, you should want to/have a right to force your views on other people. Otherwise aren't we just talking about the world's reaction to "that which can't be named in an internet argument"? Abortion ain't going away any time soon and hey, I've got bigger fish to fry, but that Biden answer is just disingenuous.

jerseyhoya wrote:Palin to do an interview with Charlie Gibson later this week.

What's Charlie Gibson's credibility these days?

Rev_Beezer wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:Palin to do an interview with Charlie Gibson later this week.

What's Charlie Gibson's credibility these days?

He anchors ABC's Nightly News. So pretty high, I would say.