Fair enough, Jersey Hoya. That was a "fine whine" by me.

But, even as a Republican partisan, can you honestly tell me:

1) Based on the record of the last four years, the Republicans deserve to win this election?

2) There was any reasonable basis for the Republicans ridiculing Obama's work as a community organizer?

3) That a Democratic candidate would be called virtuous, by the religious right or the media, for having a teen daughter "choosing" to take her pregnancy to term?

The hypocrisy is maddening.

BuddyGroom wrote:My parents just spent some time in Toronto and told me I'd love it there. After this election, I may just have to find out. If, after the past 8 years, this country again elects Republicans, it is not worthy of me, my abilities or my tax dollars.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

VoxOrion wrote:Bye bye.

Oh, I'll still be around unless you ban me. They have the internets in Ontario.

I'll just be going to Blue Jays games rather than Orioles games, and to Tim Horton's instead of Subway.

Werthless wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

McCain wins, and you'll see how empty my talk is. I talked about it in 2004. I'll do it in the next year if the Republicans win.

And if enough people like me did it, we could turn Canada into the next economic superpower, and the U.S. into the cultural backwater it apparently wants to be.

You can ACT LIKE A MAN!

/SLAP/

WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU?!

C-SPAN interview with Palin, from February:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md9ufYe4ekc[/youtube]

Based on this--your standard-issue, enlightening-yet-boring C-SPAN discussion--she's probably going to be fine if/when the Li'l Roves let her out. Obviously she's quick on her feet, and it probably helps her that devoted MSM stooge Charlie Gibson is doing the first interview.

Buddy: this is still Obama's election to lose. He certainly might lose it. But there's a fair case to be made that if he can't convince the public that McCain's avowal of "change," when he votes with Bush and supports the same menu of policies, is the most ludicrous attempt at a makeover in American politics since Joe McCarthy tried to remake himself as a civil libertarian, he deserves to lose.

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

McCain wins, and you'll see how empty my talk is. I talked about it in 2004. I'll do it in the next year if the Republicans win.

And if enough people like me did it, we could turn Canada into the next economic superpower, and the U.S. into the cultural backwater it apparently wants to be.

I have no clue about the likelihood you would entertain moving to Canada. I just love quoting that site whenever I can.

stuffwhitepeoplelike.com wrote:Though they will never actually move to Canada, the act of declaring that they are willing to undertake the journey is very symbolic in white culture. It shows that their dedication to their lifestyle and beliefs are so strong, that they would consider packing up their entire lives and moving to a country that is only slightly different to the one they live in now.

dajafi wrote:Buddy: this is still Obama's election to lose. He certainly might lose it. But there's a fair case to be made that if he can't convince the public that McCain's avowal of "change," when he votes with Bush and supports the same menu of policies, is the most ludicrous attempt at a makeover in American politics since Joe McCarthy tried to remake himself as a civil libertarian, he deserves to lose.

I don't disagree. This past week has just left me afraid there aren't enough Americans who listen to and comprehend basic facts and reality.

Werthless wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

McCain wins, and you'll see how empty my talk is. I talked about it in 2004. I'll do it in the next year if the Republicans win.

And if enough people like me did it, we could turn Canada into the next economic superpower, and the U.S. into the cultural backwater it apparently wants to be.

I have no clue about the likelihood you would entertain moving to Canada. I just love quoting that site whenever I can.

stuffwhitepeoplelike.com wrote:Though they will never actually move to Canada, the act of declaring that they are willing to undertake the journey is very symbolic in white culture. It shows that their dedication to their lifestyle and beliefs are so strong, that they would consider packing up their entire lives and moving to a country that is only slightly different to the one they live in now.

You just again implied my talk was empty talk. I hope I don't have to act on it. But I can if I must.

BuddyGroom wrote:Fair enough, Jersey Hoya. That was a "fine whine" by me.

But, even as a Republican partisan, can you honestly tell me:

1) Based on the record of the last four years, the Republicans deserve to win this election?

2) There was any reasonable basis for the Republicans ridiculing Obama's work as a community organizer?

3) That a Democratic candidate would be called virtuous, by the religious right or the media, for having a teen daughter "choosing" to take her pregnancy to term?

The hypocrisy is maddening.

1) In my incredibly biased opinion, McCain would be a better president than Obama. Elections are more about looking forward than looking backward, especially when there is no incumbent running.

2) What the hell is community organizing? Honestly.

3) The religious right is hypocritical. Everyone who is invested in politics is hypocritical.

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:

BuddyGroom wrote:

Werthless wrote:http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 ... to-canada/

McCain wins, and you'll see how empty my talk is. I talked about it in 2004. I'll do it in the next year if the Republicans win.

And if enough people like me did it, we could turn Canada into the next economic superpower, and the U.S. into the cultural backwater it apparently wants to be.

I have no clue about the likelihood you would entertain moving to Canada. I just love quoting that site whenever I can.

stuffwhitepeoplelike.com wrote:Though they will never actually move to Canada, the act of declaring that they are willing to undertake the journey is very symbolic in white culture. It shows that their dedication to their lifestyle and beliefs are so strong, that they would consider packing up their entire lives and moving to a country that is only slightly different to the one they live in now.

You just again implied my talk was empty talk. I hope I don't have to act on it. But I can if I must.

What are the tax implications of moving to Canada? I understand if one makes a certain amount of income, then it is still subject to US income taxes. Is that true?

i plan on moving out of the country in ~5 years. it certainly wouldn't improve my chances of moving if republicans win the next 2 elections.

i don't approve of where the country is headed and the dollar is headed. i hear europe is pretty nice. as is new zealand.

jerseyhoya wrote:2) What the hell is community organizing? Honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community%5Forganizing

Community organizing is a process by which disempowered people—most often low- and moderate-income people—are brought together to act in their common self-interest. Community organizers act as area-wide coordinators of programs for different agencies in an attempt to meet community needs for health and welfare services. They also facilitate self-help programs initiated by local common-interest groups, for example, by training local leaders to analyze and solve the problems of a community. Community organizers work actively, as do other types of social workers, in community councils of social agencies and in community-action groups. At times the role of community organizers overlaps that of the social planners.

Sounds like the kind of thing that would give someone good experience administering and coordinating with diverse groups of people with different sets of interest to work together and accomplish something.

seke2 wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:2) What the hell is community organizing? Honestly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community%5Forganizing

Community organizing is a process by which disempowered people—most often low- and moderate-income people—are brought together to act in their common self-interest. Community organizers act as area-wide coordinators of programs for different agencies in an attempt to meet community needs for health and welfare services. They also facilitate self-help programs initiated by local common-interest groups, for example, by training local leaders to analyze and solve the problems of a community. Community organizers work actively, as do other types of social workers, in community councils of social agencies and in community-action groups. At times the role of community organizers overlaps that of the social planners.

Sounds like the kind of thing that would give someone good experience administering and coordinating with diverse groups of people with different sets of interest to work together and accomplish something.

Community organizer is code for African-American.

"Elitist" is code for "uppity."

jerseyhoya wrote:2) What the hell is community organizing? Honestly.

I meant to post this after gr's question last week--read it over the weekend:

Republicans Think 'Community Organizers' Don't Create Much Change. Barack Obama Actually Agrees With Them.

I'm not a huge fan of John Judis--he was/is one of those Democrats who during the primary seemed to view everything in a pro-Hillary/anti-Obama light. But this is a really interesting piece, partly because it attacks Obama's career arc (from organizer to pol) from the left.

FWIW, I agree with the critique Obama seems to have applied to community organizing. But it doesn't change the fact that people who go into that line of work, pretty much without exception, do so because they really wish to accomplish some good in those communities. Most community organizers are affiliated with religious institutions--as Obama's group was. They are the "thousand points of light," and it was mindless and characteristically mean-spirited of the Republicans to launch those attacks last week.

jerseyhoya wrote:3) The religious right is hypocritical. Everyone who is invested in politics is hypocritical.

It's not their hypocrisy that particularly troubles me. It's that they are more concerned with whether someone believes what they believe and pushes their political happy buttons than most objective measures of whether they're up for a job. It's a very similar brand of identity politics to what the Right criticized Democrats for, with justification, in past decades.

That said, if you step away from it and consider how much mockery Democrats got for their supposed rock fan-like worship of Obama, without necessarily knowing much about him or considering his argued lack of experience or credentials, the Palin thing is pretty funny in the double standard it shows.

Laexile wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:I can see you were taught to push back on the 90% voting with Bush point. Baffle them with numbers, I guess. It's too bad that those are McCain's own words, not some invention of the left. He used those words to get votes in the primary, so I don't think it's fair to run from them now.

But what's most damaging to McCain, IMO, is the way his voting has changed over the last few years. I posted this before, but watch the incredible transforming McCain. The more he needed Bush and the Rove machine, the more he voted with them. His ambition was more important than his integrity, or that's the way it looks to me.

I can't find the post you're referring to. What are his own words? McCain has complimented the administration and criticized it in the past. I don't see how any Republican could always be critical of a Republican administration.


It's not a post. It's a video of McCain sayng he voted with Bush over 90% of the time. The clip has been in several of Obama's ads.

CMD wrote:
Does McCain want his campaign to be tied to social issues like creationism and banning same sex marriage while the Dems are focusing on real issues? Kind of negates the "maverick" image and makes people think of GWB. I think thats the impact Palin will have in the long run. She has little to bring to the table and is not very credible when discussing economic plans, foreign policy, etc... We shall see.

I think McCain definitely wants this. If you need proof, just check out any of the major speeches at the GOP convention. No mention of the troops. No mention of the middle class. No mention of healthcare. No mention of the economy. One of McCain's surrogats has come right out and said that this campaign is not about the issues, it's about character.

Biden touched on the lack of issue content at the GOP convention when he spoke in Langhorne the other day...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955Y3NJTRIE&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2008_08_31.php[/youtube]

Go, Biden, go.

TenuredVulture wrote:Community organizer is code for African-American.

And for liberal.