I'm not gonna debate you, Jerry! Politics thread.

I'm not gonna debate you, Jerry! Politics thread.

Postby Bakestar » Thu Aug 28, 2008 19:52:39

Anyone think the Republicans are paying people to wave those "9/11 Was an Inside Job" signs at the DNC?

(not P-t-K bait, fwiw)
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:22:55

Bill Richardson is on the attack. Eh.

I don't think it matters as much as the pundits do, but there is a sense in which the Democrats really aren't as good at defining the opponent as the Republicans are.
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Postby dajafi » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:27:39

Just read this at the gym this evening--a really superb analysis of Obama's economic philosophy.

I'm pretty sure drsmooth would dig this, but I suggest anyone who's interested in what the guy will do if he wins take a look. David Leonhardt might be the best writer on economic issues going today, and he pulls apart the many different strands--behavioral economics and the Chicago school, old-timey liberalism, "modified Reaganism"--that seem to be at work in Obama's thinking on the subject.

Otherwise, I wish I had any confidence that McCain gave this stuff, say, one-one hundredth as much thought, since we'll have to deal with some pretty serious stuff whichever of them wins.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:31:02

I'm thinking about letting Lil' Vulture stay up and watch Obama's speech.
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Postby FTN » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:35:53

when i was at the dentist this morning i read the Time stuff on Obama, and the different type of roles he has to play to appeal to the different crowds. You can read it here

Democratic strategists often make the mistake of assuming that these white, economically downscale voters will automatically make their ballot choices on the basis of class. In fact, many vote on culture. Obama's academic style is much of his problem. For many, Obama reminds them of the Ivy League whiz kids they've dealt with at work during the latest downsizing. They look at him and see another bloodless young achiever coming down from the top floor to fix the ailing machine-tool company. They listen to his polished pitch in the employee cafeteria, and he wins some converts. But after he is finished, a few old-timers exchange knowing glances and mutter to one another about how young this hotshot is. Somebody makes a cynical and unkind remark about affirmative action. Deep down, they think he'd rather hit the executive gym for a cardio workout during lunch hour than share a cheesesteak and beer with the hourly workforce. And they ask one another, Why did he change his name in college back to Barack? What's wrong with Barry?

Unless Obama can break down the wall between him and these Barry-cratic voters, it will be very hard for him to seize the game-winning electoral prizes of Michigan and Ohio. The convention message and optics would be a very good place to start.

To that end, many of the old-school party regulars now assigned to loyally wave HOPE and CHANGE signs for the TV cameras in Denver would dearly love to see Obama switch out some of his "together we can" endive salad for a big populist pile of economic red meat. Last week Ohio governor Ted Strickland called for Obama to "speak more clearly and specifically about the kitchen-table, bread-and-butter issues." While Obama has to be careful not to delve too far into Strickland's brand of Stone Age union economics, reconnecting with basic Democratic economic issues is good advice. Obama cannot reclaim the lunch-pail wing of the Democratic Party simply by treating Hillary Clinton like a monarch at the convention. These voters are not hers to deliver; Obama has to earn them back on his own with a convention that reaches out to those hardworking Americans who don't drive a Prius, don't listen to npr, don't buy syrah—and assure them that it is still very much their Democratic Party too.


for a Republican strategist, he makes some good points.

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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:39:27

Stevie Wonder: "I know Barack Obama is going to set this country on fire."

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Postby pacino » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:40:07

am i the only one bored by stevie wonder
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:40:13

Stevie is way better than Melissa Etheridge, and I defy the Republicans to even try to approach the Dem's music.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:40:58

The Phillies are playing.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:45:04

jerseyhoya wrote:The Phillies are playing.


I got this button on my remote that allows me to switch back and forth.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:45:43

Gore is getting a huge response.
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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:49:56

Gore is hardly electric.
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Postby dajafi » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:51:09

Sounds like Pawlenty is a very nearly done deal.

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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:54:37

dajafi wrote:Sounds like Pawlenty is a very nearly done deal.


What are you hearing?

I talked to my uncle today, and he was cautiously optimistic that it would be Pawlenty. I'd just be so pumped if he picked him.

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Postby dajafi » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:56:29

jerseyhoya wrote:
dajafi wrote:Sounds like Pawlenty is a very nearly done deal.


What are you hearing?

I talked to my uncle today, and he was cautiously optimistic that it would be Pawlenty. I'd just be so pumped if he picked him.


Nothing insider-y, but InTrade has him hugely up and Marc Ambinder seems to think he now has Secret Service protection and has cleared his schedule. Ambinder's blog is pretty good, if that's not a regular stop for you.

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Postby Laexile » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:57:48

Dick Morris, while probably not neutral, has a good analysis of why after six months of saying McCain is Bush's third term it isn't winning them votes. The only people buying it are people who weren't going to vote for McCain. McCain has a lot of weaknesses, but the Democrats are barely focusing on them.

A winning tactic would be appealing to anti-Iraq War middle class socially conservative Republicans. These people dislike McCain and are looking for a reason not to vote for him. Obama had a chance to do this at Saddleback and didn't convert. Obama seems to be a stronger Christian than McCain. They don't like or trust McCain. They're unhappy because they don't see McCain as a George Bush third term.

Besides abortion, Obama isn't that far from Christian conservatives. He opposes gay marriage. He believes in faith based initiatives. He may need to move a little to the center on their issues, but if he can pick them off he's got the election won.
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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Aug 28, 2008 20:58:24

Gore is a doofus

Way to namecheck your own movie.

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Postby Bakestar » Thu Aug 28, 2008 21:00:28

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Gore is a doofus

Way to namecheck your own movie.



I can't say I mind that. It's not like he's playing games with the viewers.
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Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 28, 2008 21:00:53

dajafi wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
dajafi wrote:Sounds like Pawlenty is a very nearly done deal.


What are you hearing?

I talked to my uncle today, and he was cautiously optimistic that it would be Pawlenty. I'd just be so pumped if he picked him.


Nothing insider-y, but InTrade has him hugely up and Marc Ambinder seems to think he now has Secret Service protection and has cleared his schedule. Ambinder's blog is pretty good, if that's not a regular stop for you.


Hmm...I'm looking at his blog now. Romney was the one that had his home swept by secret service or something. Pawlenty has cleared his schedule, but I thought I read or saw that everyone is flying to Ohio so that the secret can be kept.

Honestly, I think the spectacle of Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, whomever all on stage when they name the veep, if that's what they do, would be pretty awesome.

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Postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 28, 2008 21:00:58

Oooh. Hippie music
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