I turn my head and then Eickhoff? Phillies random thoughts

by **BigEd76** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:14:50

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Just got stopped in the airport by a man and he asked what sport I played basketball or track....really lol

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Happy Gilmore on @tbs classic movie #happylearnedhowtoputt

by **BigEd76** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:16:21

Looks like Klentak still hasn't taken off that jacket from the CSN appearance weeks ago. Mack...Cooney...Steaks....guy that looks like Soren...

by **phorever** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:16:25

BigEd76 wrote:So he was basically outrighted from Reading and promoted to LV, clearing another spot for Rule V

well, they ain't gonna draft 3 guys, so really clearing a spot for a non-tendered dude or a waiver wire claim... or two awesome prospects coming back from a giles trade... or heyward (just kidding).

by **Grotewold** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:17:54

BigEd76 wrote:

Looks like Klentak still hasn't taken off that jacket from the CSN appearance weeks ago. Mack...Cooney...Steaks....guy that looks like Soren...

Would of guessed speed seduction seminar

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:27:56

Todd Zolecki ‏@ToddZolecki
Matt Klentak said Phillies are getting a lot of calls on Ken Giles.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:36:21

Stephen Gross ‏@SteveGrossMCall
Klentak also said he met w/ Ryan Howard last month and he's energized, was positive about upcoming season. #Phillies

by **Squire** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:45:11

Doll Is Mine wrote:
Stephen Gross ‏@SteveGrossMCall
Klentak also said he met w/ Ryan Howard last month and he's energized, was positive about upcoming season. #Phillies

positive he gonna get paid. amirite?

by **swishnicholson** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:51:51

Squire wrote:
Doll Is Mine wrote:
Stephen Gross ‏@SteveGrossMCall
Klentak also said he met w/ Ryan Howard last month and he's energized, was positive about upcoming season. #Phillies

positive he gonna get paid. amirite?

I expect he'll show up in the best shape of his life. /smitty

by **my cousin mose** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 17:59:00

"i'm positive an upcoming season will take place"

by **Doll Is Mine** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:01:04

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan
Breaking: Cubs' Kris Bryant, Phillies' Maikel Franco have filed grievances alleging service-time manipulation. News: http://yhoo.it/1TwJeT5

by **BigEd76** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:05:59

JeffPassan
Kris Bryant finished his rookie season with 171 days of service time. Maikel Franco finished his with 170 days. A full season is 172 days.

welp

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:15:22

Just coincidence I'm sure.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:26:22

that's the way the system works. phillies probably have the best case of everyone who has done it that franco needed a little more time. i'm sure the agents needed someone to do this as the new cba looms.

by **BigEd76** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:28:03

This is what Maik's argument is based on:

On May 12, the Phillies optioned their everyday third baseman, Cody Asche, to the minor leagues but didn’t recall Franco. He arrived May 15.

by **Bucky** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:38:08

does the dl time count

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:39:45

by **Bucky** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:40:03

and yeah, it is most definitely service time manipulation

i think they were pretty transparent that they didn't want to start his clock too soon

is that against the CBA?

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 18:43:14

Bucky wrote:and yeah, it is most definitely service time manipulation

i think they were pretty transparent that they didn't want to start his clock too soon

is that against the CBA?

no, but it is likely to be a key point in the next cba negotiations. right now it makes sense for teams to keep a guy down. springer and polanco were two other guys who thought about filing a grievance but decided against it. boras is bryant's agent so that isn't too surprising. surprised franco got on board because he is represented by a relatively unknown guy.

by **pacino** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 22:29:44

I'm glad he did file

by **swishnicholson** » Mon Dec 07, 2015 22:39:49

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Bucky wrote:and yeah, it is most definitely service time manipulation

i think they were pretty transparent that they didn't want to start his clock too soon

is that against the CBA?

no, but it is likely to be a key point in the next cba negotiations. right now it makes sense for teams to keep a guy down. springer and polanco were two other guys who thought about filing a grievance but decided against it. boras is bryant's agent so that isn't too surprising. surprised franco got on board because he is represented by a relatively unknown guy.

Consensus seems to be he's unlikely to win the grievance, although it's pretty clear there was some manipulation. It didn't seem as blatant as the Bryant case, where everyone agreed he should start the season with the Cubs and was only kept down for service time reasons. The Phillies had some legit reasons to let Franco play at Lehigh Valley and to evaluate Asche at the major league level, at least for a month or so. After that, yeah, the question was whether you bring him up now or keep him down for a couple weeks more in a season going nowhere and gain some extended control. Hard to really blame the Phillies for taking the second route.

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