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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Ace Rothstein » Wed Aug 12, 2015 15:47:39

The B1G Piece wrote:
Shore wrote:
BIGPHILLY wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Amazing how much easier it is to build up a decent system when you trade every valuable veteran on your roster.


* I will politely disagree with this. Bastardo was a classic loogy (3.54 / 1.36 WHIP) that you find in many places. Rollins is washed up he's batting .223 even after a nice run lately with a .640 OPS and his classic 11 HRs because he's trying to be a stud. Byrd is a joke of a journeyman who floats around and is a decent player for a non playoff team. Revere? Laughable.

Papelbon is a legit piece and Hamels is a stud - but for people to see our veterans as valuable when we sucked - was fortuitous.


No offense, but the bolded statement is stupid as hell.

Not to mention he was a 10 win player between 2012-2014.



BR has him at 6.7 over those 3 years, which still isn't that bad. He was a 4 win player last year and the Phillies moved him at the right time and got an above average prospect

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Shore » Wed Aug 12, 2015 15:55:54

Utley's going to to take Kenley Jansen deep in the deciding game of a playoff series. It's going to be glorious, and heartbreaking.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed Aug 12, 2015 15:57:19

My distaste for the Giants has gotten to the point where I'd rather see him as a Yankee.

Middle school/high school me would be appalled at that.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby PhillyPhan » Wed Aug 12, 2015 15:58:36

I know a lot of people are down on Howard for his contract, but losing Howard will be tough too. I love that guy for everything he's done in Philly.

Losing Utley to SF will suck no doubt, but then again so did Rollins to LA. Same with Hamels.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:01:00

bleh wrote:i don't know how anyone could possibly think Utley would retire because of a few bad months. He'll retire when no team wants to sign him, and I don't see that happening until at least 2017 but probably later.


I can't speak for anyone else. I just thought his constant injuries were to the point that he would retire. He doesn't seem to want to leave and he won't win again here. This was just my guess though. I could be completely wrong and you may be right that he wants to keep playing. As much as I hate the dodgers, I could stomach them winning a title if JRoll and Utley led them to it.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Shore » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:03:54

PhillyPhan wrote:I know a lot of people are down on Howard for his contract, but losing Howard will be tough too. I love that guy for everything he's done in Philly.


I'm down an Amaro for Howard's contract. I'm down on Howard for his performance. .234 / .303 / .422 over the last 4 years (1666 PA).

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:10:46

Fuck this fucking stupid ass shit
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby phillychuck » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:13:14

Keep him. Or Susac...
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:16:08

Don't see how anything we'd get back for him right now would be that much more valuable than making sure he stays and retires a Phillies.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby PhillyPhan » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:20:29

Shore wrote:
PhillyPhan wrote:I know a lot of people are down on Howard for his contract, but losing Howard will be tough too. I love that guy for everything he's done in Philly.


I'm down an Amaro for Howard's contract. I'm down on Howard for his performance. .234 / .303 / .422 over the last 4 years (1666 PA).


I just don't think he ever recovered fully from the Achilles injury. It sucks but his run was amazing and cannot be ignored.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Gimpy » Wed Aug 12, 2015 16:21:04

PhillyPhan wrote:Losing Utley to SF will suck no doubt, but then again so did Rollins to LA. Same with Hamels.


Yea, but we beat up on the Dodgers on our way to back to back WS appearances. The Giants… ecchhh

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby 1 » Wed Aug 12, 2015 17:01:47

Yeah- no comparison there. Fuck the Giants and Triples Alley, too.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby PrattRules » Wed Aug 12, 2015 21:37:46

I need to write an email to Carlton Loewer.

He signed my only Phillies baseball cap 17 years ago. It fell apart over the years, and it doesn't feel right to wear a hat without his signature on the brim. I found out he's a real estate agent in Jackson Hole. So like I said, i need to write an email to Carlton Loewer.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 00:10:49

jerseyhoya wrote:My distaste for the Giants has gotten to the point where I'd rather see him as a Yankee.

Middle school/high school me would be appalled at that.



I think I'd rather see him as a Met. At least they have the decency to be mediocre when they are, in fact, mediocre.

What I am saying is I would burn down AT&T Park if I could.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Aug 13, 2015 01:01:52

my cousin mose wrote:Don't see how anything we'd get back for him right now would be that much more valuable than making sure he stays and retires a Phillies.


I don't see how having him sit for the legendary Cesar Hernandez or taking at bats from him is doing anyone any good.

I too thought he might just retire, but he looks healthy and energized since he came back. He deserves to play for a winner.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 13, 2015 08:05:58

If he's healthy, he's valuable to someone. Trade him for our and his sake. He wants to find out how much he has left in the tank. We owe it to him and ourselves to trade him.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby phillychuck » Thu Aug 13, 2015 08:15:28

Don't want anything less than a top 5 or 6 prospect from the Giants...otherwise we're just giving him away. Their system is pretty barren.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Thu Aug 13, 2015 08:23:30

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Thu Aug 13, 2015 13:17:30

swishnicholson wrote:
my cousin mose wrote:Don't see how anything we'd get back for him right now would be that much more valuable than making sure he stays and retires a Phillies.


I don't see how having him sit for the legendary Cesar Hernandez or taking at bats from him is doing anyone any good.

I too thought he might just retire, but he looks healthy and energized since he came back. He deserves to play for a winner.

These and pacino's are both good points. Obviously this is a heart versus head argument and you can tell which part I'm coming from; and I know I'm probably on the wrong side. I guess I also just think that he deserves to be one of those guys that's always remembered as being with just one team, untouchable, etc.; versus being traded for what will likely turn out to be just spare AAA parts.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Thu Aug 13, 2015 13:19:49

Also, I don't know how much value the one-team thing even has anymore, either to him or how he'll be remembered. Talking about him like he's dead sucks. Sucks hard
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