A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby rolex » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:40:32

JFLNYC wrote:I admire the passion but the Marlins did not deliberately tank this year.

Marlins Payroll over the last ten seasons:
2015 $ 69,031,500 $ (low $30's ? )
2014 $ 45,825,400 $ 52,518,799 (30)
2013 $ 50,526,900 $ 42,301,773 (29)
2012 $101,628,000 $ 89,875,132 (18)
2011 $ 57,695,000 $ 61,940,280 (25)
2010 $ 47,429,719 $ 47,331,979 (28)
2009 $ 36,834,000 $ 37,532,482 (30)
2008 $ 21,811,500 $ 27,003,450 (30)
2007 $ 30,507,000 $ 33,072,472 (29)
2006 $ 14,998,500 $ 21,124,332 (30)

This year they started at $69M and have traded away Latos ($9.4M), Morse ($7.5M); Haren ($10M); Saltalamacchia ($7M); Cishek ($6.6M). That is almost half of their payroll down into the low thirty million dollar area. If this was a one year situation, that would be one thing but it a ten year pattern. Meanwhile Lurie has been taking aid from MLB and getting money from its revenue stream. Somehow MLB needs to sanction this guy not reward him. He has basically ruined baseball in the Miami area. How is that in the best interests of the game?

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:02:37

Loria is obviously scum but those guys you listed all suck and it was probably smart to move them and save money. He did give one of the best players in the game a monstrous contract.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:37:21

ReadingPhilly wrote:Yeah Wth are you talking about


Maybe one or two minor league affiliates would be ok, otherwise if a guy is a legit prospect bring him up and let him play.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:40:07

Warszawa wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:Yeah Wth are you talking about


Maybe one or two minor league affiliates would be ok, otherwise if a guy is a legit prospect bring him up and let him play.


I think we already had this conversation on this board. Minor league teams make money so they aren't going anywhere.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby etched Chaos » Sun Aug 09, 2015 13:39:38

ReadingPhilly wrote:Loria is obviously scum but those guys you listed all suck and it was probably smart to move them and save money. He did give one of the best players in the game a monstrous contract.


A monstrous contract that is typically back-loaded, the big money doesn't kick-in until 2018.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Sun Aug 09, 2015 14:16:26

Most picked them to have a decent season this year. It went bad and they unloaded ballast. It was the smart thing to do. The point is, no bad how Loria is and whatever their past transgressions, they didn't set out to tank this year.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:35:35

Jonah Keri discussed the fellas in his most recent column:

After nine long weeks, the Phillies are finally out of the cellar!

For that, Philadelphia can thank a suddenly rejuvenated offense that’s batted .282/.331/.447 since the All-Star break,1 which is the fourth-best (park-adjusted) mark in the National League in the second half. Behind that robust hitting, they have won 16 of 21 games since the break, the best record in baseball during that time. And while some of that surge has been driven by veterans — Ryan Howard and especially Jeff Francoeur (?!?!) have been mashing — the Phillies have received an unexpected surprise: At the start of a complete rebuild, the mostly unheralded kids in their lineup are hitting, too.

One of the biggest drivers of the team’s recent success has been Odubel Herrera. The Phillies nabbed the Venezuelan center fielder from the Rangers last December in the Rule 5 draft. Playing in the big leagues for the first time this season, Herrera quickly claimed an everyday job in Philadelphia’s depleted lineup. With a very high batting average on balls in play (.368), he’s due for some regression, but that number might be a bit more sustainable thanks to Herrera’s ability to leg out a bunch of infield and bunt hits. He’s sporting a sky-high .379/.414/.561 line since the break, and he’s shown more extra-base pop than he ever did in the minors, with a .141 Isolated Power mark that’s fueled by his 22 doubles and three triples.2 His skill set is far from perfect — six and a half times more strikeouts than walks isn’t a recipe for sustainable success, so he’ll need to improve his batting eye. But a rookie center fielder with speed, gap power, and competent defense who’s making the league minimum through 2017? For a $50,000 buy-in, the Phillies will take it.

Then there’s Cesar Hernandez, the middle infielder who GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said was better than Chase Utley but who has moved to shortstop since the veteran returned from injury. Unlike his compatriot Herrera, Hernandez has shown impressive command of the strike zone, walking in about 10 percent of his plate appearances and netting a strong .361 on-base percentage. He’s also a real base-stealing threat, swiping 17 bags in 21 attempts. Overall, he’s sporting a strong .305/.352/.415 line since the break. Hernandez’s defense has been spotty, however, and that leaves his long-term everyday status in doubt. But with top shortstop prospect J.P. Crawford still probably a year or more from a promotion, and few other middle-infield options in the high minors, Hernandez should get a chance to prove himself for the foreseeable future.

The last of the offense-boosting trio of 25-and-under Phillies is Maikel Franco. By far the most highly touted prospect of the three, the 22-year-old nonetheless arrived with question marks of his own, as observers wondered how his free-swinging approach might translate to the big leagues, and if he could hack it defensively at third base. So far, Franco is 1-for-2. He’s walking more often in his rookie season than he has since playing at low-A ball, and he’s striking out less than one-sixth of the time. Franco’s second-half numbers are actually down a hair, but that’s mostly because he’s been so dangerous for much of the season, delivering a 2015 line of .274/.336/.476. Whether he’ll stick at third long-term remains an open question, though: According to Baseball Info Solutions, Franco has been nine runs worse than the average MLB third baseman this year, ranking 33rd at his position. The good news is Howard has only one year left on his excruciating $125 million contract, meaning Franco is a good bet to shift to first base by Opening Day 2017 — if not sooner.

Combine those encouraging performances with Crawford’s potential — plus an intriguing crop of young pitchers led by rookie right-hander Aaron Nola and enhanced by the deadline trades of Cole Hamels, Jonathan Papelbon, and Ben Revere — and the outlines of a new, encouraging era of Phillies baseball have begun to form. There’s still plenty of work to be done, but right now it’s enough to make even the old guys smile
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:42:01

will really have to dig into how they come up with these defensive ratings at some point.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:42:53

that's what i was thinking, too. since the early jitters and some errant throws i think he's really settled in and been pretty darn good. he makes at least one play a game where I go 'oh yeah!'

his oh yeah is off the charts
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Soren » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:38:49

No one would accuse him of having tremendous range but he's got a fucking howitzer of an arm. So it's the Jeter "he makes all the plays on balls he gets to!" argument I get.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby WheelsFellOff » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:56:16

He's fun to watch. Fuck stats I watch some of the games!
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:59:43

aint gonna let no pencil neck geek tell me what is what
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:41:27

Chase was put on revocable waivers yesterday

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:41:48

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 2m2 minutes ago
Correction: #Phillies placed Chase Utley on revocable trade waivers Sunday, not Saturday, so the claiming period expires tomorrow.
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:42:16

I so scare
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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby pacino » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:46:06

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby stevemc » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:48:46

Seems like the prospect of Utley's 2016 option not vesting will have a # of teams interested in him as a rental.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:57:13

He definitely won't clear.

I really can't handle Chase Fucking Utley getting traded for a high-A lottery ticket pitcher. I'll be inconsolable. My wife will be even worse.

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Aug 10, 2015 13:59:07

wait, so we cant pull him back? or is that just the name of waivers at this point?

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Re: A Final Ode to Coal Hummus and other Phillies Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 14:01:01

revocable - can be pulled back for $25K or whatever
irrevocable - GTFO

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