Grotewold wrote:

jeff2sf wrote:What, in the hell, are you people talking about?

Here's the problem with the phrase "preeminent power hitter in the game today". It means NOTHING.

Brantt, chief, what are you concerned with? Winning games. Of course you are. Well while power is ONE WAY to win games, it's not the only way, nor could it even be said to be the PRIMARY WAY. The problem is that while the 50 HR are amazing, the other components of it are not. And therefore, on balance, there are several other guys who help a team win more than Ryan Howard. So yes, perhaps he hits more homers than anyone else. But unfortunately, that's not the whole game and the people who know what they're talking about, like Law, know this.

Missanelli's treatment of, essentially, a fellow employee, was embarrassing.

But Missannelli said "preeminent power hitter," not "preeminent" or "best" player -- Howard IS the preeminent/best power hitter of the last four years, and to say Missanelli provided no basis or evidence for that is absurd.

To be fair to Law, however, Missanelli was the first one to get loud and also misquoted him on Howard having a "bad" OBP.

The end result is me being dumber

Grotewold wrote:

jeff2sf wrote:What, in the hell, are you people talking about?

Here's the problem with the phrase "preeminent power hitter in the game today". It means NOTHING.

Brantt, chief, what are you concerned with? Winning games. Of course you are. Well while power is ONE WAY to win games, it's not the only way, nor could it even be said to be the PRIMARY WAY. The problem is that while the 50 HR are amazing, the other components of it are not. And therefore, on balance, there are several other guys who help a team win more than Ryan Howard. So yes, perhaps he hits more homers than anyone else. But unfortunately, that's not the whole game and the people who know what they're talking about, like Law, know this.

Missanelli's treatment of, essentially, a fellow employee, was embarrassing.

But Missannelli said "preeminent power hitter," not "preeminent" or "best" player -- Howard IS the preeminent/best power hitter of the last four years, and to say Missanelli provided no basis or evidence for that is absurd.

To be fair to Law, however, Missanelli was the first one to get loud and also misquoted him on Howard having a "bad" OBP.

The end result is me being dumber.

jeff2sf wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

jeff2sf wrote:What, in the hell, are you people talking about?

Here's the problem with the phrase "preeminent power hitter in the game today". It means NOTHING.

Brantt, chief, what are you concerned with? Winning games. Of course you are. Well while power is ONE WAY to win games, it's not the only way, nor could it even be said to be the PRIMARY WAY. The problem is that while the 50 HR are amazing, the other components of it are not. And therefore, on balance, there are several other guys who help a team win more than Ryan Howard. So yes, perhaps he hits more homers than anyone else. But unfortunately, that's not the whole game and the people who know what they're talking about, like Law, know this.

Missanelli's treatment of, essentially, a fellow employee, was embarrassing.

But Missannelli said "preeminent power hitter," not "preeminent" or "best" player -- Howard IS the preeminent/best power hitter of the last four years, and to say Missanelli provided no basis or evidence for that is absurd.

To be fair to Law, however, Missanelli was the first one to get loud and also misquoted him on Howard having a "bad" OBP.

The end result is me being dumber.

Ok, Grote, I'll talk to you, because we KNOW brantt's a moron. We know that.

Wheels Tupay wrote:Law sounds like a clown. Everyone and their mom knows what Missinelli means when he says "preeminent power hitter." He obviously believes Howard is the best power hitter in the game today and says his four last seasons are evidence of that. When Law is asked who he believes he dances around the question names a few people and gives no stats to back it up. So, he keeps on repeating the same moronic question over and over.

jeff2sf wrote:Who cares that someone is the preeminent power hitter in a game? If it doesn't lead to being the preeminent player, why should any rational front office pay for that? I contend that Missanelli is implying that being the best power hitter in the game MUST mean that you're one of the top players in the game (top 5 maybe?) You have a different interpretation of what Missanelli's saying?

CrashburnAlley wrote:Missanelli provided absolutely zero facts while Law provided about seventy billion. Mikey Miss is an intellectual peanut.

jeff2sf wrote:

Wheels Tupay wrote:Law sounds like a clown. Everyone and their mom knows what Missinelli means when he says "preeminent power hitter." He obviously believes Howard is the best power hitter in the game today and says his four last seasons are evidence of that. When Law is asked who he believes he dances around the question names a few people and gives no stats to back it up. So, he keeps on repeating the same moronic question over and over.

What is he saying? And if it doesn't lead to providing a lot of wins, then why the hell should anyone pay for that?

jamiethekiller wrote:Law asked a couple of times what does preeminent slugger mean in terms of value.

while slugging is great, it doesn't make a complete player. and thats what Law was driving at.

Trent Steele wrote:

CrashburnAlley wrote:Missanelli provided absolutely zero facts while Law provided about seventy billion. Mikey Miss is an intellectual peanut.

This is undeniably true. At the same time, Law comes off like a douche - in this interview, in his chats, on his twitters, in his articles. His points become less effective because he is a douche. No one likes being talked down to by a douche. It doesn't matter if the douche is correct. That is how the real world works.

Barry Jive wrote:we're having an argument about an argument about a contract settled after a series of arguments

Trent Steele wrote:

CrashburnAlley wrote:Missanelli provided absolutely zero facts while Law provided about seventy billion. Mikey Miss is an intellectual peanut.

This is undeniably true. At the same time, Law comes off like a douche - in this interview, in his chats, on his twitters, in his articles. His points become less effective because he is a douche. No one likes being talked down to by a douche. It doesn't matter if the douche is correct. That is how the real world works.

Woody wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

CrashburnAlley wrote:Missanelli provided absolutely zero facts while Law provided about seventy billion. Mikey Miss is an intellectual peanut.

This is undeniably true. At the same time, Law comes off like a douche - in this interview, in his chats, on his twitters, in his articles. His points become less effective because he is a douche. No one likes being talked down to by a douche. It doesn't matter if the douche is correct. That is how the real world works.

Agreed. Law needs to explain the concepts he takes for granted much better to the type of people who listen to sports radio who have never had a statistics or economics class in their lifetime. Is there something that requires SABR dudes to be smug asshats?