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Postby Squire » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:01:19

I don't know. I get the feeling that this has as much to do with Jay Z establishing his agency than Cano.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:49:46

Or maybe he's using the Mariners to squeeze the Yanks into a bigger deal. He's probably sitting there thinking, "Oh crap, how do I tell the players union I'm going to turn this deal down?"
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Postby Grotewold » Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:58:16

Morosi wrote:Mariners believe they have the prospects to acquire David Price from Rays


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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Fri Dec 06, 2013 13:00:14

they'll trade walker for him and we'll all envy the rays again.

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Postby Werthless » Fri Dec 06, 2013 13:00:52

They do, but it's unclear if they'll be willing to include Taijuan Walker. If so, the rays would probably take it.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby Squire » Fri Dec 06, 2013 13:02:14

Start with Nick Franklin and Dustin Ackley I guess.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 14:14:26

NY is receiving offers for Brett Gardner, but they haven't said anything about trading him yet. RealKen thinks he might be dealt for a starting pitcher

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Postby dajafi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 14:52:00

BigEd76 wrote:NY is receiving offers for Brett Gardner, but they haven't said anything about trading him yet. RealKen thinks he might be dealt for a starting pitcher


Was about to post that. I love Gardner though if they're looking for SP, the Phillies don't match up... unless they'd trade Kendrick. Which I'd do in a heartbeat, but Smug would not.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Sat Dec 07, 2013 15:29:29

dajafi wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:NY is receiving offers for Brett Gardner, but they haven't said anything about trading him yet. RealKen thinks he might be dealt for a starting pitcher


Was about to post that. I love Gardner though if they're looking for SP, the Phillies don't match up... unless they'd trade Kendrick. Which I'd do in a heartbeat, but Smug would not.


Yanks could also use Revere as a 4th/5th OF type since they have Beltran/Soriano/Ellsbury in the OF, one of which is likely to be hurt at all times. Paps and Revere for Gardner. Done.
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Postby joe table » Sat Dec 07, 2013 15:38:40

Gardner is a FA after this season FWIW

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby philliesphhan » Sat Dec 07, 2013 16:44:40

LongDrive wrote:Joe Nathan is close to signing with Tigers


Just saw this. That's a huge get for the Tigers.
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Postby Grotewold » Sat Dec 07, 2013 19:53:58

Just talked to my dad, who's friends with a guy close to Andrew Bailey. Apparently the Sox told him one night they were honoring his contract and looking forward to having him back, then nontendered him the next day

Sounds like he's out until July anyway

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby dajafi » Sat Dec 07, 2013 20:49:06

Trent Steele wrote:
dajafi wrote:
BigEd76 wrote:NY is receiving offers for Brett Gardner, but they haven't said anything about trading him yet. RealKen thinks he might be dealt for a starting pitcher


Was about to post that. I love Gardner though if they're looking for SP, the Phillies don't match up... unless they'd trade Kendrick. Which I'd do in a heartbeat, but Smug would not.


Yanks could also use Revere as a 4th/5th OF type since they have Beltran/Soriano/Ellsbury in the OF, one of which is likely to be hurt at all times. Paps and Revere for Gardner. Done.


Man that would be a fantastic trade. Even with the inevitable ensuing move for another overpriced closer.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Sun Dec 08, 2013 01:00:25

http://seattletimes.com/html/mariners/2 ... 08xml.html

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby phillies » Sun Dec 08, 2013 01:11:43

i was just coming here to post that very article. astonishing anecdote about former SABR-darling jack zdruacisanfdsjsacik

One of those speaking out is Blengino, the former No. 2 in Zduriencik’s front office. Blengino, who was working for the Milwaukee Brewers with Zduriencik at the time, said he authored virtually the entire job application package Zduriencik gave the Mariners in 2008, depicting a dual-threat candidate melding traditional scouting with advanced statistical analysis.

Blengino said he prepared the package because he was versed in the hot trend of using advanced stats for team decisions.

“Jack portrayed himself as a scouting/stats hybrid because that’s what he needed to get the job,” Blengino said. “But Jack never has understood one iota about statistical analysis. To this day, he evaluates hitters by homers, RBI and batting average and pitchers by wins and ERA. Statistical analysis was foreign to him. But he knew he needed it to get in the door.”

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby mcare89 » Sun Dec 08, 2013 01:17:07

I'm impressed that so many people went on the record about it. Normally these types of hackjobs are just one-sided sour grapes, but there's four or five pretty strong on the record sources there. That's when you know it's bad.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sun Dec 08, 2013 01:23:30

posted that in the cano thread too. i remember jack z being touted as the new age advanced stats gm when he was hired. pretty great that he doesn't have a fucking clue about anything. his bitching to blengino about the font size and width of the margins is one of the best things i've read.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby etched Chaos » Sun Dec 08, 2013 02:18:54

So the fabled Jack Z is even less stats inclined than Ruben? Who'da thunk it.
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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby dajafi » Sun Dec 08, 2013 02:23:23

Yes. But the correspondingly shocking reveal for Ruben would be that he uses anything *but* average, HR, RBI, wins and ERA to evaluate players.

As I wrote in another thread, though, I'm sure he's gone in a year.

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Re: 2013-14 MLB Hot Stove Random Thoughts

Postby etched Chaos » Sun Dec 08, 2013 02:26:17

dajafi wrote:Yes. But the correspondingly shocking reveal for Ruben would be that he only uses RBI's.

As I wrote in another thread, though, I'm sure he's gone in a year.


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