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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby smitty » Thu Sep 26, 2013 13:41:29

pacino wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence

it's mostly the younger dudes having a higher BB%. that could be a multitude of things


JRoll has been walking a lot lately. Might set a career high this season in many fewer PAs.

Dom Brown has increased his BBs as well.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby pacino » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:18:11

smitty wrote:
pacino wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence

it's mostly the younger dudes having a higher BB%. that could be a multitude of things


JRoll has been walking a lot lately. Might set a career high this season in many fewer PAs.

Dom Brown has increased his BBs as well.

im including Dom in the 'younger' guys, but Jroll has been raising it too. he has to do SOMETHING to get some kind of offensive output.
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Shore » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:24:50

Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence


Their runs scored to runs allowed ratio, entering last night:

Manuel: Team allowed 1.21 runs for every run scored
Sandberg: Team allowed 1.21 runs for every run scored

Last night won't change the numbers much.

They've really played the bottom of the league, excluding 3 games each against the Doyers and Braves. Mets, Marlins, Cubs have to make up 1/3 to 1/2 of Sandberg's games so far. I don't think we've learned much.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Grotewold » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:25:52

Jeez can't we ever just have one nice little thing

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Shore » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:33:10

Grotewold wrote:Jeez can't we ever just have one nice little thing


We're getting a great draft pick. I'm excited.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:54:39

smitty wrote:
pacino wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence

it's mostly the younger dudes having a higher BB%. that could be a multitude of things


JRoll has been walking a lot lately. Might set a career high this season in many fewer PAs.

Dom Brown has increased his BBs as well.

JRoll hasn't increased his BB%. His walk rate has been hovering around this range for a while now. Walk rate:

2008 9.3%
2009 6.1%
2010 10.2%
2011 9.2%
2012 8.9%
2013 9.1%

Jimmy is what he is. Let's not get excited about a trend that isn't there. If you want to say that he's walking more than he was prior to 2008, okay.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Sep 26, 2013 14:58:56

Shore wrote:
Grotewold wrote:Jeez can't we ever just have one nice little thing


We're getting a great draft pick. I'm excited.


Yeah but Wube is making the pick
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby smitty » Thu Sep 26, 2013 15:32:03

Shore wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence


Their runs scored to runs allowed ratio, entering last night:

Manuel: Team allowed 1.21 runs for every run scored
Sandberg: Team allowed 1.21 runs for every run scored

Last night won't change the numbers much.

They've really played the bottom of the league, excluding 3 games each against the Doyers and Braves. Mets, Marlins, Cubs have to make up 1/3 to 1/2 of Sandberg's games so far. I don't think we've learned much.


Also facing AAA pitchers after roster expansion. Guys who are wild in many cases.

That said, I think Sandberg will be a good manager.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby phdave » Thu Sep 26, 2013 15:32:47

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
smitty wrote:
pacino wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence

it's mostly the younger dudes having a higher BB%. that could be a multitude of things


JRoll has been walking a lot lately. Might set a career high this season in many fewer PAs.

Dom Brown has increased his BBs as well.

JRoll hasn't increased his BB%. His walk rate has been hovering around this range for a while now. Walk rate:

2008 9.3%
2009 6.1%
2010 10.2%
2011 9.2%
2012 8.9%
2013 9.1%

Jimmy is what he is. Let's not get excited about a trend that isn't there. If you want to say that he's walking more than he was prior to 2008, okay.


He has walked 15% since Sandberg became manager over 151 PAs. He was around 7% before that for 500 PAs. Maybe just his typical swings in good/bad hitting. I choose to interpret it as absolute proof that Sandberg caused him walk more.
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby smitty » Thu Sep 26, 2013 15:36:14

phdave wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
smitty wrote:
pacino wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
Corey Seidman wrote:Phillies had 73 walks in Charlie Manuel's final 36 games. They have 117 in Sandberg's last 36 games. Too massive a diff. to be a coincidence

it's mostly the younger dudes having a higher BB%. that could be a multitude of things


JRoll has been walking a lot lately. Might set a career high this season in many fewer PAs.

Dom Brown has increased his BBs as well.

JRoll hasn't increased his BB%. His walk rate has been hovering around this range for a while now. Walk rate:

2008 9.3%
2009 6.1%
2010 10.2%
2011 9.2%
2012 8.9%
2013 9.1%

Jimmy is what he is. Let's not get excited about a trend that isn't there. If you want to say that he's walking more than he was prior to 2008, okay.


He has walked 15% since Sandberg became manager over 151 PAs. He was around 7% before that for 500 PAs. Maybe just his typical swings in good/bad hitting. I choose to interpret it as absolute proof that Sandberg caused him walk more.


Don't know if Sandberg has any thing to do with it but I knew Rollins was walking more just by watching the games so there to all the computer people. GGSA.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby wwry » Thu Sep 26, 2013 15:52:21

ryne sandberg physically and mentally abuses jimmy rollins so he will take more walks
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Sep 26, 2013 15:53:52

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Grotewold » Fri Sep 27, 2013 08:55:36

DEITCH wrote:In the last two seasons the Phillies are 77-63 in games Ryan Howard starts, and 76-105 in games he does not start.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Trent Steele » Fri Sep 27, 2013 09:06:34

Grotewold wrote:
DEITCH wrote:In the last two seasons the Phillies are 77-63 in games Ryan Howard starts, and 76-105 in games he does not start.



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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Bucky » Fri Sep 27, 2013 09:12:08

man, i loved that sign. :(

Where can I find this "Gelb" article? I want to see if he mentions the name of the sign. I never even knew it had a name until a Mike Dimuzio interview at the time of the Vet implosion. And now I can't remember it and it's been bugging me for years.

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby Shore » Fri Sep 27, 2013 09:44:16

Grotewold wrote:
DEITCH wrote:In the last two seasons the Phillies are 77-63 in games Ryan Howard starts, and 76-105 in games he does not start.


Howard during that time: .244 / .307 / .445
His replacements : .240 / .301 / .379

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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby pacino » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:27:54

Shore wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
DEITCH wrote:In the last two seasons the Phillies are 77-63 in games Ryan Howard starts, and 76-105 in games he does not start.


Howard during that time: .244 / .307 / .445
His replacements : .240 / .301 / .379

so you agree he's better than what else we can trot out there
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby sydnor » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:34:00

What does that mean exactly pacino?

Ruf would have outproduced him if he had been left at 1B. Instead they've chosen to fill Ruf in at RF/LF for Young and Brown (when he was hurt).
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby pacino » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:40:52

if they want to target an OF in the offseason and move Ruf back to 1B and sit Howard from here on out, fine. that's not going to happen. they can't platoon them because Ruf doesnt exactly kill lefties.

the comment by Deitch was they won more games iwth Howard, and he showed the wins. Shore puts up the line showing Howard outperformed his replacements, thus showing a correlating factor to why we perhaps won more games with Howard in the lineup. anything else is extrapolation on your part.
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Re: Random Phillies Thoughts and Tired Schtick

Postby sydnor » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:47:41

ok, i don't think we're far off.

But fundamentally, it's not hard to replace that poor ass line by Howard. The problem is that Amaro has done such a bad job in finding corner outfielders and first basemen that he struggles to find a replacement or when he does in Ruf, the replacement has to be moved because again, there are so many holes on this team.

The other consideration is that either Amaro can't devote the resources, or players don't want to come here, to back up a guy making 25 million bucks that has the job until he dies.
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