ReadingPhilly wrote:doubt amaro has much input into the draft.

smitty wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:doubt amaro has much input into the draft.

I know. He only is in charge of mistakes and others are in charge of things that go well.

This kind of statement makes less than zero sense. He is the GM. He gets all the credit and all the blame. That's his job.

And there's plenty of blame to lay on him. But crediting others for all that went well is just wrong.

smitty wrote:And the real signature move by Amaro is getting hosses like Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Pence for a couple of fistfuls of prospects who have yet to amount to much of anything yet. Some probably will eventually. But his moves resulted in a shitload of Phillie wins and flags and stuff like that. And to dismiss this is just nutso.

Is he The Man? Hell no. But ignoring the thing he did well is fun but not realistic.

Trent Steele wrote:

smitty wrote:And the real signature move by Amaro is getting hosses like Halladay, Lee, Oswalt and Pence for a couple of fistfuls of prospects who have yet to amount to much of anything yet. Some probably will eventually. But his moves resulted in a shitload of Phillie wins and flags and stuff like that. And to dismiss this is just nutso.

Is he The Man? Hell no. But ignoring the thing he did well is fun but not realistic.

I agree that Amaro should get credit/blame for everything just like any CEO. I think it's too early to decide whether the drafts were complete failures or not, but they have not exactly produced a farm system that is elite by most Baseball America/Prospect type analysts.

In any event, none of these things you cite in Amaro's favor are at all relevant to the skills he needs to effectively GM a bad team with a bloated payroll and a mediocre farm system into elite status again. There are no more overrated prospects to trade or payroll to substantially grow.

sydnor wrote:third highest payroll, fifth worst record. Stop debate.

smitty and grotewold will talk about being concerned (but never bringing up what exactly they are concerned about or why amaro is bad) but then defend ad nauseum the minutia of why all of his moves were defensible/right and somehow we end up losing sight of the biggest picture.

Third highest payroll, fifth worst record.

mozartpc27 wrote:

I am going to choose to believe that this explains a lot. I had no idea.

ReadingPhilly wrote:

smitty wrote:

ReadingPhilly wrote:doubt amaro has much input into the draft.

I know. He only is in charge of mistakes and others are in charge of things that go well.

This kind of statement makes less than zero sense. He is the GM. He gets all the credit and all the blame. That's his job.

And there's plenty of blame to lay on him. But crediting others for all that went well is just wrong.

agree with that part. if you think he should fire wolever and his staff, fine. i think overall they've done a good job. just weird to rag on him picking larry greene.

Polar Bear Phan wrote:CLIFF LEE is the only player acquired by Ruben that has a WAR (Baseball Reference version) over 1.0.

bleh wrote:Who is left from the Gillick era, just Brown and some of the crappy relievers maybe? I think there might be more Wade guys left than Gillick guys.

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slugsrbad wrote:After going through these players, I assume you meant for just this year. Oh well

Polar Bear Phan wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:After going through these players, I assume you meant for just this year. Oh well

Yeah, I meant 2013.