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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:03:46

I'm sure you do.

Having the first overall pick would be pretty cool. I'm thinking 65-68 gets that done.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Napalm » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:04:57

i hope we draft pat the bats cousin, rick the stick

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Grotewold » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:12:24

Interview with Amaro where he cites bullpen and catcher as the biggest needs this offseason. Seems like Chooch is outta here

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby sydnor » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:57:51

I thought about revising the "I want McCann" campaign because all you sissies are afraid of the lefties. So the only other name intriguing to me is Salty, but he's a switch hitter who, against lefties, makes Ryan Howard look good.

F it.

6 man bench:
Anytime a lefty comes up you do: Mayberry for Howard, Frandsen for Asche

Virtually any time a lefty starts you do: Kratz for McCann (but you don't necessarily pinch hit for him)

Selective use of a righty to give Revere/Brown a blow: Wells
One left handed bopper
One guy who can't hit who can play 6 positions (Galvis)
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:59:55

I'm not afraid of lefties. I'm afraid of a multiyear commitment to a catcher with 10 ML seasons under his belt who hasn't played in more than 128 games since 2010.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby sydnor » Fri Aug 16, 2013 13:07:11

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I'm not afraid of lefties. I'm afraid of a multiyear commitment to a catcher with 10 ML seasons under his belt who hasn't played in more than 128 games since 2010.


Legit fear but... Are catchers really supposed to play in more than 130 games? They get at least a day off a week. So at best I guess you're doing 27 ish weeks you get 135 games. Throw in some 2 off day weeks and it's easy to see 130 as a cap. Further, despite this limitation he's been worth 18 million, 8 million and ~18 million (pro rate the rest of his season stats) in the last 3 years.

I want to do something bold to avoid a 5 year deal like 3/50 or even 3/54. Probably have to do 4 years though as a compromise and I could live with 4/60, 4/62 maybe even 4/64.
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Postby Bill McNeal » Fri Aug 16, 2013 13:11:23

Didn't (doesn't) McCann have an eye problem too?

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 13:32:34

sydnor wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I'm not afraid of lefties. I'm afraid of a multiyear commitment to a catcher with 10 ML seasons under his belt who hasn't played in more than 128 games since 2010.


Legit fear but... Are catchers really supposed to play in more than 130 games? They get at least a day off a week. So at best I guess you're doing 27 ish weeks you get 135 games. Throw in some 2 off day weeks and it's easy to see 130 as a cap. Further, despite this limitation he's been worth 18 million, 8 million and ~18 million (pro rate the rest of his season stats) in the last 3 years.

I want to do something bold to avoid a 5 year deal like 3/50 or even 3/54. Probably have to do 4 years though as a compromise and I could live with 4/60, 4/62 maybe even 4/64.

I'd question any valuation that had a guy who posted a .698 OPS and 86 OPS+ as being worth $8MM last year. He needed offseason shoulder surgery to repair labrum issues, and those seem to have resolved, but I get nervous paying long-term for someone with that type of injury history.

That being said, I can live with a three-year deal. I just don't see it happening, even with an overpay. Again, the guy has already caught over 1000 games in his ML career alone. That type of wear and tear adds up quickly.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby sydnor » Fri Aug 16, 2013 13:38:11

yeah, god do i hate fangraphs, it's just such a tempting shorthand.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Grotewold » Fri Aug 16, 2013 13:39:14

If Amaro's words are to be taken at face value, I expect them to pursue McCann

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 14:20:28

Grotewold wrote:If Amaro's words are to be taken at face value, I expect them to pursue McCann

All the more reason that everyone should be worried about signing him.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Aug 16, 2013 14:52:55

Sandberg not coaching 3rd anymore improves the team atleast

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Postby slugsrbad » Fri Aug 16, 2013 14:55:33

Ace Rothstein wrote:Sandberg not coaching 3rd anymore improves the team atleast


Rather have a runner thrown out by a mile, then stranded at 3rd.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Ace Rothstein » Fri Aug 16, 2013 15:39:56

I been really debating on if I want to renew my tickets next year, I think today might have made up my mind. I'm better off just buying them off stub hub when I want to go

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Wheels Tupay » Fri Aug 16, 2013 15:45:14

Ace Rothstein wrote:Sandberg not coaching 3rd anymore improves the team atleast


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Postby The Nightman Cometh » Fri Aug 16, 2013 15:45:47

Vuk was pretty great, in hindsight.
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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby BigEd76 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 19:37:56

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Enough with the hate, people. I pride myself in giving you all everything I have every single time out. I don't bad mouth anyone and I make a point to be as fan friendly and approachable of a player as I can be. Lets make twitter an enjoyable tool. Not a place of hate & stupidity

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Polar Bear Phan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 19:55:52

Ruben Amaro's current winning percentage as GM is .555 (technically, this is rounded up). Let's hope a .551 winning percentage threshold applies to him.

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Re: Phillies Thoughts- Ruben Amaro: Great GM or The Greatest

Postby Grotewold » Fri Aug 16, 2013 20:08:08

BigEd76 wrote:
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Enough with the hate, people. I pride myself in giving you all everything I have every single time out. I don't bad mouth anyone and I make a point to be as fan friendly and approachable of a player as I can be. Lets make twitter an enjoyable tool. Not a place of hate & stupidity


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Postby joe table » Fri Aug 16, 2013 20:11:08

option defratus to juneau

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