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Postby BigEd76 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:25:58

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phdave wrote:Are there any memorable draftees the Phillies didn't take that everyone was upset about but ended up with someone better? I'm guessing there are examples but I never hear about them.


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Don't remember if he was a top name at the time but the Phils passed on Francoeur and took that injured HS troublemaker Cole instead

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:27:30

BigEd76 wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
phdave wrote:Are there any memorable draftees the Phillies didn't take that everyone was upset about but ended up with someone better? I'm guessing there are examples but I never hear about them.


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Don't remember if he was a top name at the time but the Phils passed on Francoeur and took that injured HS troublemaker Cole instead


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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:29:43

Eem wrote:All this said, if Amaro decides to pass on Bogaerts/Bradley just so Boston eats Lee's salary, I will be so #$!&@ sick of it I might drive to CBP myself and take a #$!&@.

Yeah, I don't care if the Phillies eat 75% of Cliff's salary if that's what it takes to get premium return for him. It shouldn't, but I'd be willing to do it.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby LongDrive » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:29:47

Passan saying Asche being called up soon.

@JeffPassan: Source: Phillies plan on calling up 3B Cody Asche. Points to Michael Young being traded today.
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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Wheels Tupay » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:30:06

Calling up Cody, that's where.
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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby usctrojans31 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:31:48

Wheels Tupay wrote:The only money I would give Boston would be the option year buyout, about 12 million. So, that gives them Lee for this season plus two. They can sit on it if they want more.


I agree with this, as it is my thought exactly. If Lee were on the open market, would he really command less than 50 M for 2 years? Or better yet, would he even accept a 2 year deal? How about 62.5 M for 2.5 years, give or take? It is an extremely reasonable number, especially if the Phillies send the money for the buyout if necessary.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby bleh » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:38:21

Yeah, half the thing about trading Lee is freeing up the money to sign McCann or someone like that. Otherwise screw the Sox.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:39:02

The beat writers "confirming" the national guys' news one by one now is adorable

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby smitty » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:39:47

We picked Kelly Dugan in 2009 and passed on Kenny Diekroeger in 2009 and they've been doing stuff like that for more than 30 years for crying out loud.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:46:38

Looking forward to all these blog goths begging the Sox not to do it completely reversing course to rip Amaro when it happens

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Bucky » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:46:53

so a lot of you guys are OK with paying $25M for the next two years for a top-level prospect who may or may not be an impact ML player??

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby td11 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:48:12

it's stomach turning bucky
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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby kimbatiste » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:49:48

This is boring. Need moar rumorz

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Shore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:51:53

Bucky wrote:so a lot of you guys are OK with paying $25M for the next two years for a top-level prospect who may or may not be an impact ML player??


We're paying $42M or whatever to a Cuban guy who may or may not be a relief pitcher or #3 starter.

I personally don't want to pay ALL of Cliff's deal, but if it's the difference between a good prospect and a GREAT prospect, I'd throw in the $10M he's owed this year, no problem.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Shore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:54:31

td11 wrote:it's stomach turning bucky


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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:54:35

Bucky wrote:so a lot of you guys are OK with paying $25M for the next two years for a top-level prospect who may or may not be an impact ML player??

No, for that much the Phils should be getting more in return. What I'm okay with is paying to upgrade the return.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby td11 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:55:55

Shore wrote:
td11 wrote:it's stomach turning bucky


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nah i'd pay upto the buyout amount (12.5) to get boegarts but anything beyond that and red sox can get fucked. like no way they should pay 50% of remaining salary or anything like that
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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby dajafi » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:56:51

td11 wrote:
dajafi wrote:That Amaro/his bosses could kill this over money going back is stomach-turning. As Shore has said, the deep pockets represent our last competitive advantage. And that won't last unless they add talent and start winning again.

Why do you believe those reports any more than a Boston beat guy saying amaro is insisting on boegarts


I did say "could."

I said "could" because we know Amaro plays this angle the other way. With both Oswalt and pence, he gave better prospects to get a few million back. And they traded Lee the first time partially for money reasons. There's some pattern of focusing on fairly small sums of $ at the expense of larger strategy.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby Shore » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:57:39

td11 wrote:
Shore wrote:
td11 wrote:it's stomach turning bucky


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nah i'd pay upto the buyout amount (12.5) to get boegarts but anything beyond that and red sox can get fucked. like no way they should pay 50% of remaining salary or anything like that


Agreed.

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Re: Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

Postby td11 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:58:31

fair enough

i think amaro hasn't had enough opportunities to sell, and that when he did have opportunities, he's gotten decent returns (cliff, vic, pence). let's at least give him this year of selling some shitty pieces before we crucify him on this front, too
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