Barry Jive wrote:Dunedin is right next to Clearwater, right?

Grotewold wrote:

swishnicholson wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Honestly, the utter lack of self-awareness by these morons is astonishing.

It's not surprising, but it's remarkably fucking tone deaf. The two people who have the worst contracts on the team complaining about how the organization is run.

Without the context it's hard to know, but I think Howard's comments are very different than Papelbon's- just a general it "it's frustrating to lose" rather than a criticism of the organization.

He hadn't even heard Pap's comments. Barkann summarized them on the spot, and I'm not sure Howard even really heard him through the ear piece

Grotewold wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:Dunedin is right next to Clearwater, right?

Yeah. Are you implying he'd sign with Toronto? I don't see that as a significantly better situation at this point, factoring in everything I mentioned upthread, but who knows

Trent Steele wrote:Howard's not a douche like Papelbon and I don't think there is any kind of malice there. Just irritating to hear the two most overpaid guys on the team complain about we need to do things differently. Mirrors, people.

Barry Jive wrote:i think the "feels bad" argument only goes as far as the 24 other guys on the roster

CalvinBall wrote:rosenthal on a bogaerts/lee deal:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/bost ... lee-073013

Grotewold wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:i think the "feels bad" argument only goes as far as the 24 other guys on the roster

I'm not sure what you mean by that. What I meant was he seems like a guy who's very serious about his word and fulfilling expectations, etc. He signed what looked like a sweetheart deal but only fulfilled half of it.

I'm not saying he should feel bad or that he definitely does, just that if I had to bet on it, I think he'd like to make amends here, all things being equal.

Give him a reasonable, incentive-laden deal and promise to move him if we're out of it and he wants to go. Everyone wins.

Squire wrote:Is there any market for Kendrick at all?

Barry Jive wrote:got my fingers crossed Rube can buy out some free agency years

WhiteyFan wrote:No way the Sawx are trading Bogaerts for Lee. I wish it were true, but its not. Our best case scenario with them is JBJ and Im not even sure I want that. He's a nice player, but not the kind of guy you build a team around, like Bogaerts.

Grotewold wrote:Anybody but Jackie Bradley Jr., please. I can't take ten years of the Crashburn gang whining we could have just drafted him

Not Crashburn but our old friends at philliesphans wrote:It is so ironic that we are probably going to end up trading our best players for prospects that the Phillies probably had a chance to sign themselves for pennies on the dollar relative to what we are going to pay for them now.

The Phillies decided to save $75K on Workman and saved about $400K by taking Travis Mattair over Will Middlebrooks. They saved $1.4M million taking Kelly Dugan over Wil Myers in 2009. They could have already had Garin Cecchini but instead took Bryan Morgado. It just goes on and on.

The Phillies entire methodology of how to build a franchise is so backwards. 30 years later and they still haven't figured out what it takes to be consistently great and maintain it.

kimbatiste wrote:Insufferable. Every other team passed on those guys at least once and in most cases, multiple times.

If he had his way, Halladay, of course, wants to stay in Philadelphia.

“I don’t want to play anywhere else,” he said. “This has been the best place I’ve ever played.”

Halladay: I've been thinking just the last couple of days. I just felt like I should address the fans. I know there is a lot of mixed opinions on pitching, not pitching, all that kind of stuff. I know there are people who are disappointed about how I pitched the last two years. I know there are a lot of people who are very supportive.

So, one, I just wanted to thank them for their support. And my heart goes out to all of the people who spend all of their money and go out to the games and don't get to see what they want to see. I know I'm not the whole team. There are still a lot of guys out there and it's a fun team to watch. But I feel bad that I'm missing the time that I am. I feel bad for the fans that I'm missing the time.

It's tough. You feel an obligation to the organization, to your teammates, to the fans to try to go out and pitch. Especially on a competitive team that sells out. For me, that was a big factor. If I'm playing for a last-place team and there's things going on, you maybe speak up. But we have a chance to go win a World Series and we have sellouts and fans have expectations. You want to do everything you can to try to make it work.

Really, that was a lot of the reason I tried to keep going. Like I said, I never really felt the pain. I just wanted to reach out to the fans, thank them for their support and apologize to the ones who pay the money and show up in the second inning and it's 9-0. I apologize to the fans that I won't be out there for three months.

I don't feel like I have to apologize to the team because I think they know. I just want the fans to know that I'm thinking about them. I don't take that for granted. I don't take playing for Philadelphia for granted.

Grotewold wrote:With Greene and Joseph being fitted for Rita's water ice shirts