mcare89 wrote:

phillies wrote:

phdave wrote:Why wouldn't they want the other club to take all the $$$ remaining on his contract? That's like wondering why they would want good prospects in return.

because isn't the idea to get the best value for him? obviously, 3/$75MM is no big deal to a team like BOS. but if you have money to burn with this magical TV deal that's coming, entice mid-market teams like OAK and PIT into the mix by picking up some of the contract. i'll reserve judgement till the deadline since it was just one report...but it bothers me that that's even floated out there.

The amount of money needed to entice teams like Oakland and Pittsburgh into the race negates half the point of trading him. To get those teams in, you'd probably need to pick up at least half the tab, and I don't think either of those teams would part with enough of a prospect haul to make it worth carrying around 10-15 mill of dead money around.

The idea isn't to get the best value for him. This isn't an auction where everything must go. You don't have to trade him in the next 3 days unless you're absolutely terrified he's going to get hurt this season and kill his value, which is just no way to run a baseball team. The idea is to get proper value for him. That includes getting a prospect haul that compares to what we're losing in our #1 starter, as well as getting Lee's contract off the books. If you have to kick in a few million, as long as you're getting a prospect haul, so be it. But wanting any buyer to take Lee's full freight isn't an absurd request at all.

slugsrbad wrote:I'm still on the keep him train. Lee-Hamels-KK-MAG-Halladay is a mighty fine rotation. We just need to shore up the bullpen and hope that our old geezer infield can score 3 runs a game.

mcare89 wrote:The amount of money needed to entice teams like Oakland and Pittsburgh into the race negates half the point of trading him. To get those teams in, you'd probably need to pick up at least half the tab, and I don't think either of those teams would part with enough of a prospect haul to make it worth carrying around 10-15 mill of dead money around.

The idea isn't to get the best value for him. This isn't an auction where everything must go. You don't have to trade him in the next 3 days unless you're absolutely terrified he's going to get hurt this season and kill his value, which is just no way to run a baseball team. The idea is to get proper value for him. That includes getting a prospect haul that compares to what we're losing in our #1 starter, as well as getting Lee's contract off the books. If you have to kick in a few million, as long as you're getting a prospect haul, so be it. But wanting any buyer to take Lee's full freight isn't an absurd request at all.

mcare89 wrote:The amount of money needed to entice teams like Oakland and Pittsburgh into the race negates half the point of trading him. To get those teams in, you'd probably need to pick up at least half the tab, and I don't think either of those teams would part with enough of a prospect haul to make it worth carrying around 10-15 mill of dead money around.

The idea isn't to get the best value for him. This isn't an auction where everything must go. You don't have to trade him in the next 3 days unless you're absolutely terrified he's going to get hurt this season and kill his value, which is just no way to run a baseball team. The idea is to get proper value for him. That includes getting a prospect haul that compares to what we're losing in our #1 starter, as well as getting Lee's contract off the books. If you have to kick in a few million, as long as you're getting a prospect haul, so be it. But wanting any buyer to take Lee's full freight isn't an absurd request at all.

Trent Steele wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:I'm still on the keep him train. Lee-Hamels-KK-MAG-Halladay is a mighty fine rotation. We just need to shore up the bullpen and hope that our old geezer infield can score 3 runs a game.

I don't necessarily disagree but this has basically the blueprint for 2013. And 2012. And it sucked.

Shore wrote:

mcare89 wrote:The amount of money needed to entice teams like Oakland and Pittsburgh into the race negates half the point of trading him. To get those teams in, you'd probably need to pick up at least half the tab, and I don't think either of those teams would part with enough of a prospect haul to make it worth carrying around 10-15 mill of dead money around.

The idea isn't to get the best value for him. This isn't an auction where everything must go. You don't have to trade him in the next 3 days unless you're absolutely terrified he's going to get hurt this season and kill his value, which is just no way to run a baseball team. The idea is to get proper value for him. That includes getting a prospect haul that compares to what we're losing in our #1 starter, as well as getting Lee's contract off the books. If you have to kick in a few million, as long as you're getting a prospect haul, so be it. But wanting any buyer to take Lee's full freight isn't an absurd request at all.

Disagree. Our sole advantage in the marketplace is cash. If we can add cash and widen the market for Lee, we have to do it. It's not about making another team spend money, it's maximizing the return in talent that you get - regardless of the cash it costs.

But you're right - we don't have to trade him. And I wouldn't unless we got a kickass haul.

dajafi wrote:To Trent's point, I wonder if we've reached the "change for the sake of change" moment. There is a staleness to the club... though of course that's not a problem when they're winning.

philliesphhan wrote:

dajafi wrote:To Trent's point, I wonder if we've reached the "change for the sake of change" moment. There is a staleness to the club... though of course that's not a problem when they're winning.

I'm of the opinion that we've GOTTA make sure Halladay is done done before closing up shop.

Jim Bowden wrote:The Red Sox and Cardinals are really the only two teams that have the payroll room and prospect flexibility to make a legitimate run at Lee

Andy Martino wrote:Speculation, but informed speculation: NL exec who has spoken w Amaro lately thinks Phils move Cliff Lee. Chose Boston as likely destination.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Just the guy I want eyeing talent.

Grotewold wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Just the guy I want eyeing talent.

Yeah, so few prospects flourished on his watch...

And who did the supposed Pence heist for the Astros? Was that Arbuckle too?

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Just the guy I want eyeing talent.

Yeah, so few prospects flourished on his watch...

And who did the supposed Pence heist for the Astros? Was that Arbuckle too?

Right, as Wade's track record shows else where he was the key evaluator and not Arbuckle and co.

"Yeah, I would agree, I've been watching the games. To sit here and say it's been fun to watch or anything like that would be a lie. I know guys are going out there and trying to do what they can, but in some way, some shape, some form, you gotta try to figure out how to try to turn that around. I don't think Paps' too far off with that and I'm sure when guys sign here, they sign to try to come and win, and that's the goal for everybody when they go out there on the field, but right now it hasn't been working out too well."