Where's Ruben Amaro? (Phillies random thread)

by **Trent Steele** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:08:44

The correct answer was: "Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane."

by **Grotewold** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:16:10

Trent Steele wrote:The correct answer was: "Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane."

Until Mick Billmeyer emerges from the sewage

by **pacino** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:35:43

if someone was rooting for losses, they need their head checked

by **slugsrbad** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:55:18

Baseball just doesn't seem like the sport where rooting to tank does any good, so I want the Phils to win every cot damn game. If there's a trade that is respectable do it. If you can only trade MY10 for a scratch-and-sniff, you probably do that too.

by **smitty** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:43:33

JFLNYC wrote:
smitty wrote:The funny thing about Ruben is he has no plan and never does anything until he does stuff like trade for Halladay and Oswalt and Pence. Or sign Lee as an FA. Or trade Thome for two prospects -- both of whom have potential at least. Or extend Hamels. Or sign some Cuban Defector pitching stud. Or sign a Carlos Tocci who is playing A ball and holding his own as a 17 year old. Or draft some real good players. Or sign a Maikel Franco.

Doesn't really do anything or have a plan or anything.

I'm not sure he will make great moves. Or even if he makes good moves that they will work. Because team construction is a funny game. But he will do stuff. That's been his MO. Bold moves.

"Never mistake activity for achievement."

~ John Wooden

John Wooden? Who did he play for?

No, I agree. I'm describing Amaro's MO. It's not a recipe for guaranteed success. I think the Pence trade and the Howard contract are examples of Amaro at his worst. But other moves he's made have been roundly panned but have worked out OK.

He's no Pope Owens.

Damn, I'd love a Rick Wise for Steve Carlton or Willie Montanez for Garry Maddox type of trade. But teams hardly make deals like that any more.

I remember shortly after I began to read Bill James', the Phillies started to pick up guys like Phil Bradley and Ron Roenicke and Gary Redus Redus and Joe LeFebvre and John Kruck. Even Von Hayes.

These were low average, high OBP, guys with some power. Many were good base runners. It was funny because I loved these moves but only Krukow seemed to work out. Hayes too for a while. But Hayes kinda fizzled out and the other guys got hurt or were a pain in the ass or both. And the team didn't get any better overall.

Baseball is a funny game.

SQTM.

by **Grotewold** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:48:21

I miss Victorino man

by **BigEd76** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 13:36:24

Edes

One baseball source with direct knowledge of Boston’s thinking believes that the Phillies would begin any negotiations by asking for Xander Bogaerts or Jackie Bradley Jr.

Still, the source said, the Sox are actively exploring trading for Phillies pitcher Cliff Lee, although any of the above reasons might cause them to walk away from the table.

by **CalvinBall** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 15:01:06

good. we shouldnt get anything less if we are trading cliff lee. here is why:

December 9, 2012: Traded by the Tampa Bay Rays with a player to be named later and Wade Davis to the Kansas City Royals for Mike Montgomery (minors), Patrick Leonard (minors), Wil Myers and Jake Odorizzi. The Tampa Bay Rays sent Elliot Johnson (February 12, 2013) to the Kansas City Royals to complete the trade.

by **dajafi** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 15:11:12

Now this is how you shiv:

The Phillies have not had a great run recently with personnel decisions. No team is perfect, but this is a results business and talent evaluations big and small haven’t worked out particularly well: the talent acquired from Seattle in the Cliff Lee trade, releasing Jason Grilli, letting Nate Shierholtz walk, choosing John Bowker over Brandon Moss, Chad Qualls, Danys Baez, betting Ben Francisco and John Mayberry Jr. could be everyday outfielders, not developing a player in the minors that can help them more than Michael Martinez or an outfielder that would be better than carrying three catchers out of the All-Star break, etc.

Case for the defense: Kratz, Frandsen... and I think that's pretty much it.

by **bleh** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 15:21:26

He forgot Vogelsong.

Someone in the comments wants the Phillies to sign Japhet Amador, a 315 pound Mexican. He should be the GM.

by **JFLNYC** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:09:40

The way this team looks, heads should roll. They won't, but they should.

by **CFP** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:11:29

Domonic Brown ‏@dom9brown 3m

I'm feeling so much better

Assuming he hasn't seen the game today

by **BigEd76** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:27:30

Amazingly the Phils still aren't one of the 10 worst teams in baseball

by **smitty** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:30:54

The Phillies are just a few players away from a championship team. A Willie Mays type; a Tom Seaver type, and a Mariano Rivera type.

by **Stripes** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:43:41

JFLNYC wrote:The way this team looks, heads should roll. They won't, but they should.

by **heyeaglefn** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:44:41

BigEd76 wrote:Amazingly the Phils still aren't one of the 10 worst teams in baseball

Maybe by record they aren't, but being able to have almost unlimited spending helps a lot.

by **smitty** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:46:46

Stripes wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:The way this team looks, heads should roll. They won't, but they should.

Should fire one of the hitting coaches at least.

by **dajafi** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:52:21

JFLNYC wrote:The way this team looks, heads should roll. They won't, but they should.

I guess. The guy most deserving of dismissal is Amaro, but you know that's not happening. After everything he's done, I don't think you can fire Charlie in mid-season. Nobody cares about the coaches, and the players are all either guys who don't matter, guys they're trying to trade, or guys they need to buy in for the better days hopefully to come.

by **bleh** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 16:59:11

The team they are able to put out there today is maybe the worst team in baseball.

by **CFP** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 17:14:29

Rollins trolling pretty hard right now. He's going to get ripped apart for this. (From Murphy)

The mood in the clubhouse was one of acceptance: the Phillies are not going to win a title this year, and a 12-4 stinker to the Tigers underscored just how far away they are from contending. Michael Young did not rule out the possibility of waiving his no-trade clause -- the veteran third baseman seems likely to get traded to a contender. Short stop Jimmy Rollins said he would not waive his complete no-trade clause. "There are still a couple things I would like to be number one on the lists of in this organization," Rollins said, "so until those things are done, I'm not going anywhere."

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