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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 09:54:14

JFLNYC wrote:Howard's commitment is for $135MM because it includes a $10MM buyout. So Howard at age 31 got 5/$135MM and Fielder -- the unquestionably better hitter -- got 9/$214 at age 27. Considering the Tigers got what's left of his prime years while the Phils bought nothing but Howard's decline years, no, it's not a fuck ton more.


I think that thing could get real ugly on the back half, and that no N.L. team could have even considered it.

What if Howard had stayed healthy and 2010-productive and Fielder suffered a bad injury last year? Which was very possible.

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 09:55:24

Anyway...

Murphy sucks

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Barry Jive » Tue Jun 18, 2013 09:59:29

JFLNYC wrote:Howard's commitment is for $135MM because it includes a $10MM buyout. So Howard at age 31 got 5/$135MM and Fielder -- the unquestionably better hitter -- got 9/$214 at age 27. Considering the Tigers got what's left of his prime years while the Phils bought nothing but Howard's decline years, no, it's not a fuck ton more.


pretty sure it's 5/125 including the buyout, plus $13MM with the full option

not that it matters that much
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:09:55

Barry Jive wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Howard's commitment is for $135MM because it includes a $10MM buyout. So Howard at age 31 got 5/$135MM and Fielder -- the unquestionably better hitter -- got 9/$214 at age 27. Considering the Tigers got what's left of his prime years while the Phils bought nothing but Howard's decline years, no, it's not a fuck ton more.


pretty sure it's 5/125 including the buyout, plus $13MM with the full option

not that it matters that much


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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:15:29

Grotewold wrote:
What if Howard had stayed healthy and 2010-productive and Fielder suffered a bad injury last year? Which was very possible.


then we'd be nominating Rube for president

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby td11 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:23:51

joe table wrote:Image
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:25:00

That thing aggravates and enthralls me every single time

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby td11 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:26:55

Grotewold wrote:That thing aggravates and enthralls me every single time


your 2013 phillies!!!

but let's talk about the important issues: ryan howard's contract: it's terriblle
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:27:14

Bucky wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
What if Howard had stayed healthy and 2010-productive and Fielder suffered a bad injury last year? Which was very possible.


then we'd be nominating Rube for president


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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:27:32

td11 wrote:
Grotewold wrote:That thing aggravates and enthralls me every single time


your 2013 phillies!!!


:-D

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:33:48

back when we used to have those discussions about whether it was better to have one championship surrounded by a bunch of awful years or a stretch of being really good but coming up short in the playoffs, it's a good thing we didn't have an option for for five division titles, two world series, one chip, followed by a few years of floating around .500, since no one would have picked that one

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby td11 » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:37:00

i would have roundly rejected that proposal and fired you from position of chief assistant librarian
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby dajafi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:38:45

Murphy wasn't so much pro or anti five year plan as suggesting that Amaro did/does have one, and it sucks.

Most of the moves he made were defensible; I defended a lot of them. But events proved him wrong with sufficient consistency that it's fair to argue that his evaluation approach is fundamentally flawed. He overvalues pitching, cost certainty and intangibles.

I don't think it's fair to assert that he undervalues prospects, despite the vicious and clever nickname. Of all the ones he's dealt away, only a couple look likely to burn us, and his drafts seem likely to turn out better than Gillick's. But he's not Logan White or Jeff Luhnow either.

Basically he's a GM in the Gillick mode but an inferior evaluator. He combines Gillick's old school approach with Wade's arrogance. And while everybody points to the Howard deal and Pence trade as the fatal mistakes, they're only that because of all the smaller mistakes. That's Murphy's point.

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:40:47

Trent Steele wrote:http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies/Amaro-addresses-his-plan-for-the-present-and-future.html

Pretty good article by High Cheese. Does everything but call Amaro a complete moron who shits himself on purpose. I approve.



The weird thing about that article is that it makes it seem like there were other options available to Ruben over the past few years and that he wasn't locked into the moves he made. He had, you know, freedom to do many different things, but has chosen the path that has led to the current problem.
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:42:25

Roger Dorn wrote:At least Rube knew to keep Brown



He tried to trade him for Chuck Finley, but Chuck had already retired.
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:47:50

In the 25 games following the cortisone shot, Howard is at .326/.394/.512/.906, 99 PA, 2 HR, 14 RBI, albeit with a crazy BABIP. Between this and the late April streak, it gives me hope there's still something left in there

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Bucky » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:50:12

Trent Steele wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Grotewold wrote:
What if Howard had stayed healthy and 2010-productive and Fielder suffered a bad injury last year? Which was very possible.


then we'd be nominating Rube for president


what if my dog #$!&@ gold bricks?



you wouldn't need a pooper scooper??

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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Woody » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:50:55

Grotewold wrote:In the 25 games following the cortisone shot, Howard is at .326/.394/.512/.906, 99 PA, 2 HR, 14 RBI, albeit with a crazy BABIP. Between this and the late April streak, it gives me hope there's still something left in there


the only thing left in there is sorrow, friend
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:01:35

Wasn't it a cortisone shot that made his Achilles more susceptible to rupture?
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Re: Dom Brown: Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Grotewold » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:02:37

JFLNYC wrote:Wasn't it a cortisone shot that made his Achilles more susceptible to rupture?


Probably, yeah. My understanding is the knee meniscus isn't as much of a minefield as the heel/achilles, but it does concern me

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