Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Wheels Tupay » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:01:47

I refuse to believe that the Phillies will sign Pagan for four years. It would suck so bad.
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:05:26

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:21:53

Fuck it, just trade for Ellsbury

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Trent Steele » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:31:39

Barry Jive wrote:the Crisp thing is interesting but leaves you in the same spot next year. here's the current slate of 2014 FAs who can play CF per MLBTR:

Coco Crisp (34) - $7.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Rajai Davis (33)
Jacoby Ellsbury (30)
Carlos Gomez (28)
Curtis Granderson (33)
Franklin Gutierrez (31) - $7.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Tony Gwynn Jr. (31)
Chris Young (30) - $11MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout

that's if none of those guys sign extensions. I'd guess Ellsbury and Granderson both get huge deals with Gomez coming in as your Pagan of the year. I'd also venture to guess you're not going to want to pay Coco Crisp $7.5MM for his age 34 season. what's the plan?


Why do you have to have a plan for 2014 CF? Opportunities arise all the time that you don't expect and can't anticipate (see the Blue Jays trade for example). I don't want to lock myself in to someone like Pagan in any event, but doing so prohibits you from being nimble enough to capitalize on those opportunities. If I'm going to lock myself into someone, that person has to be worth it. Pagan isn't worth it to me.

Also, I'm really not hung up on getting a CF as much as I am on getting signficantly more really good offensive players. I would overpay for Hamiilton and try to trade for a defense-first AAAA type CF with limited offensive ability.
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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:42:58

As an aside, if NT deadline is past now, does that mean we kept R Valdes?

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby 1 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 15:55:49

joe table wrote:As an aside, if NT deadline is past now, does that mean we kept R Valdes?

I feel like we lost him on waivers earlier this year.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby dajafi » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:01:11

Gillies or even Collier might be ready in a year. Not a plan to bank on, but a factor worth considering.

I'd do two years for Vic and have done with it.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby bury me » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:01:27

1 wrote:
joe table wrote:As an aside, if NT deadline is past now, does that mean we kept R Valdes?

I feel like we lost him on waivers earlier this year.


still got heeem

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby 1 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:02:45

bury me wrote:
1 wrote:
joe table wrote:As an aside, if NT deadline is past now, does that mean we kept R Valdes?

I feel like we lost him on waivers earlier this year.


still got heeem

Maybe it was some other Raul. Or Valdes.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:17:38

Also we should sign VIcente Padilla to a Chan Ho type flier (had legit good peripherals and still has a real good fastball). If only for gamethread fodder

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Soren » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:54:21

joe table wrote:Also we should sign VIcente Padilla to a Chan Ho type flier (had legit good peripherals and still has a real good fastball). If only for gamethread fodder


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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby my cousin mose » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:54:42

Re: Alfonso Soriano

The Philadelphia Phillies are one obvious fit for Soriano. They are looking for a right-handed outfield bat to replace Hunter Pence, who was dealt to the San Francisco Giants at the July trade deadline. With Pence gone and catcher Carlos Ruiz suspended to begin the season, the Phillies have only one player on their active roster – shortstop Jimmy Rollins – who hit more than 15 home runs in 2012, when Ryan Howard and Chase Utley missed time with injuries.
Soriano’s presence would be a welcome fit for a Philadelphia outfield that currently consists of Darin Ruf, John Mayberry Jr. and Domonic Brown. Soriano totaled an .821 OPS this year while setting a career high with 108 RBI.
The Phillies pursued Soriano when he became a free agent after the 2006 season, but the Cubs won the bidding with an eight-year, $136 million deal.
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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby smitty » Sat Dec 01, 2012 16:56:41

Back when Padilla was a pretty good and youngish starter, we gave him away for nothing. I really don't think they want him. Stuff like that happens. You never know of course. Phils welcomed Dick Allen back back in the day.

Wow. Pretty cool using back back in a sentence think it's correct too.

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby 76erfan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 17:01:47

my cousin mose wrote:Re: Alfonso Soriano

The Philadelphia Phillies are one obvious fit for Soriano. They are looking for a right-handed outfield bat to replace Hunter Pence, who was dealt to the San Francisco Giants at the July trade deadline. With Pence gone and catcher Carlos Ruiz suspended to begin the season, the Phillies have only one player on their active roster – shortstop Jimmy Rollins – who hit more than 15 home runs in 2012, when Ryan Howard and Chase Utley missed time with injuries.
Soriano’s presence would be a welcome fit for a Philadelphia outfield that currently consists of Darin Ruf, John Mayberry Jr. and Domonic Brown. Soriano totaled an .821 OPS this year while setting a career high with 108 RBI.
The Phillies pursued Soriano when he became a free agent after the 2006 season, but the Cubs won the bidding with an eight-year, $136 million deal.
-- Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal


he could help the team if cubs pay at least half his salary.

if you go pagan in cf..soriano would fit nicely hitting 5th behind howard......he is 36...but you only have him for this year and next. its not that bad
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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Sat Dec 01, 2012 17:03:56

I'd think they'd have to pay more than half. He'd be a very good fit though

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Titlehungry » Sat Dec 01, 2012 17:45:29

Could we swing Pagan, Soriano, Youkilis, and a set up man? The best thing about Padilla is he was the only guy I've seen who sweat Tequila.

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 18:32:09

Non-tenders that Seidman wants:
-- Wilson (buy low)
-- Reynolds (but only if he wants less than Youk and only if he'll face lefties)
-- Jurrjens (2 yrs, $16M-20M, then shop Worley)
-- Moylan (but only if he can get back to his non-injured version)
-- Soto (to replace Chooch for a few games)

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Re: Call me a #$!&@ Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby joe table » Sat Dec 01, 2012 18:34:36

Signing Jjjjjjjjjjjjjns to that deal would make no sense IMO. Otherwise those seem reasonable

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby Doll Is Mine » Sat Dec 01, 2012 18:41:17

Is Brian Wilson healthy? Will he be ready for Opening Day? What's his status?

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Re: Call me a Cockeyed Optimist:Phillies Random Thoughts

Postby BigEd76 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 18:54:54

Depends on his rehab. I don't think he'd be ready until late April / early May

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