by Bucky » Thu Jun 30, 2011 09:54:10
LongDrive wrote:can anyone explain why Michael Schwimer has not ha a chance with the Phillies yet? He's 25 already and is considered one of our better prospects.
by RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:24:18
mozartpc27 wrote:And obviously, this question would be contingent on the Mets being able to make the playoffs, which as of right now doesn't appear to be out of the question. I realize the Mets probably won't win enough to catch the Phils for the division. I am thinking more on a short-series level.
by BigEd76 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:26:45
bleh wrote:Did anyone get added to the 40 when JC Romero got released?
Catchy number, that 51. That's four more wins than any other team in baseball. It's the third-most wins, after 81 games, of any Phillies team since 1900. And it puts these Phillies on a pace to do something only two teams in franchise history have ever done -- win 100 games.
But it isn't really what they've done that's the story here. It's how they've done it. They were built to win, all right -- just not like this. They weren't built to survive putting three closers and two starting pitchers on the disabled list. They weren't built to lose Chase Utley for 50 games, or to run their projected everyday lineup out there for precisely five games in the entire first half.
And they definitely weren't built to find themselves dueling the Red Sox on ESPN, hoping Vance Worley could get the ball to two guys named Stutes and Bastardo.
This is what makes sports the most fabulous reality show ever invented. If you want to be great, you have to be able to throw away the blueprints and make it up as you go along. And that's what this Phillies team, more than any other Charlie Manuel has managed, has done best.
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The culture they've created over the last five seasons is now so ingrained, it doesn't just flow through the blood of the household names who have shown up in so many October box scores. The Vance Worleys and Antonio Bastardos sense it, too, and know exactly what they're here for.
"When I first got here [in 2000]," said Rollins on Wednesday, "it was just about trying to get to the big leagues. Now winning gets passed down. And there's no question that that's what's asked of them. Now these guys know that if they don't perform, they'll get sent down."
No one can quite define how winning gets passed down from one baseball generation to the next. But "I think it's unspoken first," Rollins said. "You see it, and you want to be a part of it. And when you continue to win, it feeds down."
It has now been 11 years since Rollins first arrived in September of 2000, when he joined the death march to another 97-loss season. The next spring, he reminisced (not so fondly), he remembers sitting back and listening to a first-day-of-spring-training pep talk that made him wonder what kind of franchise he'd gotten himself into.
"When I got here, the talk in spring training was not winning the division," he said. "It was, 'We want everyone to say at least they run the bases hard.' The second time I heard that, I was like, 'What? We were a good baserunning team? That's really what they want people to say?'"
by RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:27:16
bleh wrote:Did anyone get added to the 40 when JC Romero got released?
by Trent Steele » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:49:30
by lethal » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:17:49
Trent Steele wrote:Since May 1, your NL All Star 3B is throwing up a .231/.285/.281/.566 in 222 PA, which looks alot like Exxon's .242/.283/.306 /.589. The fact that he is probably going to take Victorino's spot in the ASG pisses me off significantly.
by Trent Steele » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:31:23
lethal wrote:Trent Steele wrote:Since May 1, your NL All Star 3B is throwing up a .231/.285/.281/.566 in 222 PA, which looks alot like Exxon's .242/.283/.306 /.589. The fact that he is probably going to take Victorino's spot in the ASG pisses me off significantly.
Weren't you second in the Victorino hater line for a while?
by Wizlah » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:47:54
by phdave » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:38:09
Wizlah wrote:
Its stark, so I don't mind as much since he'll always talk about the phils like this, but when I read a 'winning culture' article about them, I always dislike it intensely. It just seems so fucking lazy.
by CalvinBall » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:52:22
by Barry Jive » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:56:03
Trent Steele wrote:Since May 1, your NL All Star 3B is throwing up a .231/.285/.281/.566 in 222 PA, which looks alot like Exxon's .242/.283/.306 /.589. The fact that he is probably going to take Victorino's spot in the ASG pisses me off significantly.
by Wolfgang622 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:05:18
It has now been 11 years since Rollins first arrived in September of 2000, when he joined the death march to another 97-loss season. The next spring, he reminisced (not so fondly), he remembers sitting back and listening to a first-day-of-spring-training pep talk that made him wonder what kind of franchise he'd gotten himself into.
"When I got here, the talk in spring training was not winning the division," he said. "It was, 'We want everyone to say at least they run the bases hard.' The second time I heard that, I was like, 'What? We were a good baserunning team? That's really what they want people to say?'"
by Barry Jive » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:16:22
by RichmondPhilsFan » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:17:15
mozartpc27 wrote:WIP frustration: I was listening to the mid-day show on the way up to work, which normally I like, even if they often say stupid things, but this for some reason got to me. Glen Macnow had read the Stark article linked above, and in it found a veiled "shot" taken by Jimmy Rollins at Terry Francona. He then read the relevant portion on the air:It has now been 11 years since Rollins first arrived in September of 2000, when he joined the death march to another 97-loss season. The next spring, he reminisced (not so fondly), he remembers sitting back and listening to a first-day-of-spring-training pep talk that made him wonder what kind of franchise he'd gotten himself into.
"When I got here, the talk in spring training was not winning the division," he said. "It was, 'We want everyone to say at least they run the bases hard.' The second time I heard that, I was like, 'What? We were a good baserunning team? That's really what they want people to say?'"
Macnow claimed that the second paragraph quoted, in which Jimmy talked about the "next spring" after 2000, was a shot at Francona.
They then went on to talk about how the team won 86 games under Bowa following the disastrous Francona year, and how Bowa changed the culture.
Jesus #$&! Christ.
by lethal » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:20:30
Trent Steele wrote:lethal wrote:Trent Steele wrote:Since May 1, your NL All Star 3B is throwing up a .231/.285/.281/.566 in 222 PA, which looks alot like Exxon's .242/.283/.306 /.589. The fact that he is probably going to take Victorino's spot in the ASG pisses me off significantly.
Weren't you second in the Victorino hater line for a while?
Negative. I've been a pretty strong Victorino supporter for a long time (although I'm sure there are posts where I've bitched about him, but that can be said for any player save Roy). I never understood the Shane hate.
by Wolfgang622 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:22:17
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:mozartpc27 wrote:WIP frustration: I was listening to the mid-day show on the way up to work, which normally I like, even if they often say stupid things, but this for some reason got to me. Glen Macnow had read the Stark article linked above, and in it found a veiled "shot" taken by Jimmy Rollins at Terry Francona. He then read the relevant portion on the air:It has now been 11 years since Rollins first arrived in September of 2000, when he joined the death march to another 97-loss season. The next spring, he reminisced (not so fondly), he remembers sitting back and listening to a first-day-of-spring-training pep talk that made him wonder what kind of franchise he'd gotten himself into.
"When I got here, the talk in spring training was not winning the division," he said. "It was, 'We want everyone to say at least they run the bases hard.' The second time I heard that, I was like, 'What? We were a good baserunning team? That's really what they want people to say?'"
Macnow claimed that the second paragraph quoted, in which Jimmy talked about the "next spring" after 2000, was a shot at Francona.
They then went on to talk about how the team won 86 games under Bowa following the disastrous Francona year, and how Bowa changed the culture.
Jesus #$&! Christ.
Let me make sure I got this... they claimed that J-Roll complaining about something said in spring training of 2001 was a shot at Francona? Yet they later seemed to understand that 2001 was Bowa's first season, where the team had that miracle 86-win season?
lolololololololol
by Trent Steele » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:37:10
by Bill McNeal » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:42:23
Trent Steele wrote:lethal wrote:Trent Steele wrote:Since May 1, your NL All Star 3B is throwing up a .231/.285/.281/.566 in 222 PA, which looks alot like Exxon's .242/.283/.306 /.589. The fact that he is probably going to take Victorino's spot in the ASG pisses me off significantly.
Weren't you second in the Victorino hater line for a while?
Negative. I've been a pretty strong Victorino supporter for a long time (although I'm sure there are posts where I've bitched about him, but that can be said for any player save Roy). I never understood the Shane hate.
by smitty » Thu Jun 30, 2011 13:43:02
by Phan In Phlorida » Thu Jun 30, 2011 14:01:08
mozartpc27 wrote:They then went on to talk about how the team won 86 games under Bowa following the disastrous Francona year, and how Bowa changed the culture.
