with that article, the Halladay watch has officially jumped the shark

Trent Steele wrote:with that article, the Halladay watch has officially jumped the shark

I think we need a bigger boat.

bleh wrote:Lee's salary is $9 million this year and you get 2 draft picks when he leaves. He's an ideal player to have on a roster, there's no way in hell they'd be looking to trade him.

Agreed. Though it's possible to work out a "trade Lee and trade for Halladay" scenario that works well for the Phillies, it's too complicated to be feasible.

The reason to trade for Roy is to have both him and Lee -- plus Hamels -- and keeping one past 2010 and letting the other walk for draft picks. After winning the 2010 WS of course.

SideshowBob wrote:

bleh wrote:Lee's salary is $9 million this year and you get 2 draft picks when he leaves. He's an ideal player to have on a roster, there's no way in hell they'd be looking to trade him.

Agreed. Though it's possible to work out a "trade Lee and trade for Halladay" scenario that works well for the Phillies, it's too complicated to be feasible.

The reason to trade for Roy is to have both him and Lee -- plus Hamels -- and keeping one past 2010 and letting the other walk for draft picks. After winning the 2010 WS of course.

Exactly. Happ, Taylor, Gose and something outside of our Top 10.

buster

We talk all the time about how certain pitchers possess mound presence, whether it be Chris Carpenter or Roy Oswalt or Johan Santana. Well, new Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos clearly possesses executive presence. His peers came away from the meetings in Indianapolis chattering about how much energy he has, and while we still don't know if the Blue Jays ownership will actually approve a Halladay trade, the other GMs got the distinct impression that Anthopoulos is aggressively preparing to move him. If the Phillies ever get fully invested in the notion of trading for Halladay, they'll get him -- and this was the case before the July 31 trade deadline, too -- but unless that happens, the best fit seemingly remains the Angels.

Trent Steele wrote:buster

We talk all the time about how certain pitchers possess mound presence, whether it be Chris Carpenter or Roy Oswalt or Johan Santana. Well, new Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos clearly possesses executive presence. His peers came away from the meetings in Indianapolis chattering about how much energy he has, and while we still don't know if the Blue Jays ownership will actually approve a Halladay trade, the other GMs got the distinct impression that Anthopoulos is aggressively preparing to move him. If the Phillies ever get fully invested in the notion of trading for Halladay, they'll get him -- and this was the case before the July 31 trade deadline, too -- but unless that happens, the best fit seemingly remains the Angels.

That is dumb. Getting fully invested? What does that mean? The Phillies get Halladay if they present the offer that the Jays think is best. While it seems that we all agree that any reasonable trade would be great, the Jays may in the end decide another team's offer is better. And Smuggy may walk away.

Ken Rosenthal is pretty dumb

steven snell wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:with that article, the Halladay watch has officially jumped the shark

I think we need a bigger boat.

Is it a fancy yacht? If so, we can trade the boat to Toronto to get Roy. Now, I've got no proof that the Phillies have a boat or would even trade it, but if they just try real hard, they can get him. Call it a hunch.

1.) Trading Lee is not an option unless we're virtually eliminated by the deadline, which would take a catastrophic slew of injuries and career worsts.
2.) I don't care what Halladay says: If it's July 31st and the first-place Phils make an offer the Jays can't refuse, he's waiving that no-trade clause. That, to me, means the Phils should wait this out. Especially since no one else has the bullets to pull the trigger on an offer here. Put the Blue Jays' backs against the wall, then tell them they can take Happ, Taylor and Bastardo or go fuck themselves.

Barry Jive wrote:1.) Trading Lee is not an option unless we're virtually eliminated by the deadline, which would take a catastrophic slew of injuries and career worsts.
2.) I don't care what Halladay says: If it's July 31st and the first-place Phils make an offer the Jays can't refuse, he's waiving that no-trade clause. That, to me, means the Phils should wait this out. Especially since no one else has the bullets to pull the trigger on an offer here. Put the Blue Jays' backs against the wall, then tell them they can take Happ, Taylor and Bastardo or go $#@! themselves.

Funny thing is, Amaro would probably have the cajones to say that out loud.

CrashburnAlley wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:1.) Trading Lee is not an option unless we're virtually eliminated by the deadline, which would take a catastrophic slew of injuries and career worsts.
2.) I don't care what Halladay says: If it's July 31st and the first-place Phils make an offer the Jays can't refuse, he's waiving that no-trade clause. That, to me, means the Phils should wait this out. Especially since no one else has the bullets to pull the trigger on an offer here. Put the Blue Jays' backs against the wall, then tell them they can take Happ, Taylor and Bastardo or go $#@! themselves.

Funny thing is, Amaro would probably have the cajones to say that out loud.

"What's that? Huh? OK, tough guy...Happ, Taylor, and Moyer, for Halladay. And your wife."

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The Los Angeles Angels continue to tell the Toronto Blue Jays they're not interested in trading top prospects or players off their big-league roster for Roy Halladay, unless Halladay is willing to sign an extension beyond next season, reports ESPN.com's Jayson Stark.

According to one source who spoke with the Blue Jays, Toronto is pressing for the Angels to add highly regarded 20-year-old left-hander Trevor Reckling to any deal for Halladay. But another source familiar with the Angels' thinking says they have no intention of dealing Reckling or their starting shortstop, Erick Aybar, unless Halladay signs an extension, and that they're trying to hard to keep Aybar out of the trade under any circumstances.

Grotewold wrote:

CrashburnAlley wrote:

Barry Jive wrote:1.) Trading Lee is not an option unless we're virtually eliminated by the deadline, which would take a catastrophic slew of injuries and career worsts.
2.) I don't care what Halladay says: If it's July 31st and the first-place Phils make an offer the Jays can't refuse, he's waiving that no-trade clause. That, to me, means the Phils should wait this out. Especially since no one else has the bullets to pull the trigger on an offer here. Put the Blue Jays' backs against the wall, then tell them they can take Happ, Taylor and Bastardo or go $#@! themselves.

Funny thing is, Amaro would probably have the cajones to say that out loud.

"What's that? Huh? OK, tough guy...Happ, Taylor, and Moyer, for Halladay. And your wife."

Anthopoulos: How about Happ, Taylor, and Drabek for Halladay?

Amaro: This

im firmly against trading Lee.

The point of grabbing Halladay now is to have the best rotation in baseball and going for the gusto now.

FTN wrote:im firmly against trading Lee.

The point of grabbing Halladay now is to have the best rotation in baseball and going for the gusto now.

What he said

I definitely think it'd be cool to get Halladay now, but I don't think it's necessary. I also think it'd put more pressure on the BJays to get rid of him in July than it is now, yes? I know they're trying to shed payroll, but if it were that much of a concern he'd be gone already. And since it's been made somewhat apparent that the Phils are in the catbird seat, they should hold out until Toronto breaks down and takes it in the rear from Captain Ahab.

kimbatiste wrote:It also makes a lot of sense to include Hewitt. It would be the same as we when we got C.J. Henry. It would allow the Jays to sell to the fans that they also got a number 1 pick with a lot of potential even though he is really just a throw in.

Do it. I know Hewitt's young (20) and drafted out of HS, but he's kinda been teh suck in his 2 pro seasons. He essentially is Henry, except Henry was better.

I want both Lee and Halladay, too. But here are what I consider to be the 3 most-likely scenarios (in order of preference, not necessarily likelihood):

1. Trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with Phils), keep Lee. At the end of 2010, Lee walks, Phils get 2 draft picks, Halladay stays.

2. Trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with Phils), trade Lee. At the end of 2010, Halladay stays.

3. Don't trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with his new team), keep Lee. At the end of 2010, Lee walks, Phils get 2 draft picks, Phils have neither Lee nor Halladay.

Of course scenario 1 is the best, no question. But if because the Phils don't have the right prospects to get Halladay or the PTB insist on shaving some payroll to acquire Halladay and there are no other good trade options (e.g., Blanton), 2 is a much better scenario than 3. You're just as strong (if not a bit stronger) in 2010 and a whole lot stronger in 2011 and beyond in scenario 2 than 3.

Again, you strive for scenario 1. But, if there are no other options, scenario 3 is much better than 2.

And, FWIW:

(a) I don't believe scenario 2 is too many moving parts for RAJ. He's nothing if not smart and hard-working. If he needs to trade Lee to get Halladay, there's no question in my mind he's capable of doing it; and

(b) I don't prefer scenario 2 over scenario 1, nor do I believe RAJ does. But, the more time that goes by (and the less we hear), the more likely it is in my mind that RAJ is dealing with more moving parts. Those parts may simply be working out an extension for Halladay and/or trying to move Blanton, but it could also mean he's being forced financially or for the right prospects to move Lee in order to land his Halladay prize.

Reckling has nothing on Drabek. right?

JFLNYC wrote:I want both Lee and Halladay, too. But here are what I consider to be the 3 most-likely scenarios (in order of preference, not necessarily likelihood):

1. Trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with Phils), keep Lee. At the end of 2010, Lee walks, Phils get 2 draft picks, Halladay stays.

2. Trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with Phils), trade Lee. At the end of 2010, Halladay stays.

3. Don't trade for Halladay (who signs an extension with his new team), keep Lee. At the end of 2010, Lee walks, Phils get 2 draft picks, Phils have neither Lee nor Halladay.

Of course scenario 1 is the best, no question. But if because the Phils don't have the right prospects to get Halladay or the PTB insist on shaving some payroll to acquire Halladay and there are no other good trade options (e.g., Blanton), 2 is a much better scenario than 3. You're just as strong (if not a bit stronger) in 2010 and a whole lot stronger in 2011 and beyond in scenario 2 than 3.

Again, you strive for scenario 1. But, if there are no other options, scenario 3 is much better than 2.

And, FWIW:

(a) I don't believe scenario 2 is too many moving parts for RAJ. He's nothing if not smart and hard-working. If he needs to trade Lee to get Halladay, there's no question in my mind he's capable of doing it; and

(b) I don't prefer scenario 2 over scenario 1, nor do I believe RAJ does. But, the more time that goes by (and the less we hear), the more likely it is in my mind that RAJ is dealing with more moving parts. Those parts may simply be working out an extension for Halladay and/or trying to move Blanton, but it could also mean he's being forced financially or for the right prospects to move Lee in order to land his Halladay prize.

There is a 4th scenario, which is #3, but the Phillies sign Halladay as a FA. It's possible that Halladay will only sign an extension now with the Phillies. Signs seem to point to a mutual admiration between Halladay and the Phillies, so why would he tie himself up?