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by **FTN** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 23:35:28

ek wrote:i did hear something today (not philaphans) in which we have a deal in place for Halladay and Jesse Carlson for Happ, Brown, Bastardo and Hewitt. and there is a 72 hour negotation window with Halladay. it was on another board but I'm pretty sure it's probably bogus obviously

hewitt is a dealbreaker

by **HillMD** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 23:41:42

Jesse Carlson was the guy who started a brawl against the Yankees. I like that guy. However, that rumor could have been started by a construction worker in Blue Bell for all we know.

by **FTN** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 23:43:49

i cant trust you at all elijah

by **philliesphhan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 00:52:31

Did we get him yet?

by **TenuredVulture** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 02:00:46

I got a text from your mama and she wants to cougar with td11. So you know it's true. Because I say I got a text.

by **philliesphhan** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 02:33:13

Whose mama?

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 03:09:42

The inclusion of Jesse Carlson and Anthony Hewitt is too random so there's gotta be some truth to it, no? If someone was making it up, they'd hardly think to include Carlson.

by **kimbatiste** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 08:02:35

It also makes a lot of sense to include Hewitt. It would be the same as we when we got C.J. Henry. It would allow the Jays to sell to the fans that they also got a number 1 pick with a lot of potential even though he is really just a throw in.

by **stevemc** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:40:57

Absolutely CRAZY speculation by realken.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/1051 ... o-one-deal

Trade Cliff Lee to get big time prospects and include part of that package to get Halladay.

by **Grotewold** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:42:01

Addressing a group of third graders, Amaro pegs the likeliness of Halladay at 30%, dismisses Santa

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:50:32

stevemc wrote:Absolutely CRAZY speculation by realken.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/1051 ... o-one-deal

Trade Cliff Lee to get big time prospects and include part of that package to get Halladay.

I did the same speculation a month ago.

by **stevemc** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:57:49

so get rid of Lee & Happ and get Halladay in return? Seems to net to something less desirable than keeping Lee for a year and simply forking over prospects to get Halladay and making budget adjustments elsewhere.

by **GMAN** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:58:23

It won't happen, but trading Lee if he's determined to be a FA is not as crazy as it sounds. There are just too many moving parts to make it all work.

by **Grotewold** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:00:09

stevemc wrote:so get rid of Lee & Happ and get Halladay in return? Seems to net to something less desirable than keeping Lee for a year and simply forking over prospects to get Halladay and making budget adjustments elsewhere.

I think if it went down like this we'd retain Happ -- that Brown/Taylor and some of the prospects netted from the third team would go to Toronto.

Halladay (signed long-term)
Hamels
Blanton
Happ

Not as exciting as Lee being in that mix for a year, obviously, but preferable to no move.

by **JFLNYC** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:03:57

stevemc wrote:so get rid of Lee & Happ and get Halladay in return? Seems to net to something less desirable than keeping Lee for a year and simply forking over prospects to get Halladay and making budget adjustments elsewhere.

Absolutely. It's not the ideal outcome but it's better than not getting Halladay at all for one big reason: Lee is likely gone after 2010 and Halladay, if he's traded, may have already signed a long-term deal. So you risk having neither after next year. In that scenario, it's better to have Halladay than Lee because you've probably signed Halladay to a long-term deal. Plus you'd get somebody decent for Lee, making the hit on the farm system a bit less in the Halladay deal.

I suspect if the Phils get Halladay, RAJ will figure out a way to do it without moving Lee. But, if all else fails, you'd rather have Halladay than Lee.

by **bleh** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:15:24

Lee's salary is $9 million this year and you get 2 draft picks when he leaves. He's an ideal player to have on a roster, there's no way in hell they'd be looking to trade him.

by **HillMD** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:17:13

Just keep one of them and sign Pujols in 2 years.

by **Didn't I?** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:20:14

The Halladay subforum can have a Pujols sub-subforum.

by **Doll Is Mine** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:48:07

So wait? Ken is suggesting that we trade Lee and one of Taylor/Brown for Halladay?

Haha...c'mon now Kenny.

by **Squire** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 13:02:41

Doll Is Mine wrote:So wait? Ken is suggesting that we trade Lee and one of Taylor/Brown for Halladay?

Haha...c'mon now Kenny.

Kenny seems to be under the misunderstanding that Toronto has any leverage in this deal. They don't. Halladay is leaving for draft picks in a year and can block any trade to a destination to which he doesn't want to go.

Plus, its a stupid idea. The point of getting Halladay is load up for 2010. If Lee walks for picks next year so be it.

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