The OLD Halladay/Smug thread is HERE

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 07:07:49

FRI 6:06 AM: still no Halladay

by **phorever** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 07:10:22

i don't think halladay gets dealt to anyone. the jays are convinced they will lose lots of fan loyalty and revenue if he goes for anything less than an obviously great return in young talent. they would rather get the draft picks and see him sign a crazy-high deal elsewhere that their fans would find forgiveably unaffordable. plus, with him, there's still a decent chance of having everything come together to put them in the 2010 playoffs. without him, there's no chance. their minimum price really is still the equivalent of happ+drabek+brown/taylor + francisco/mayberry, and nobody's going to pay that and halladay's salary too.

the phils just need to keep enough on the table to make sure he doesn't go to a key rival at a cheap price if someone in the jays organization panics.

i'm pretty ok with this, especially since it sounds like getting him means losing both happ and blanton, and not having cash to sign pedro.
happ+blanton+pedro + (moyer and kendrick in the pen) could well better overall than halladay+moyer+kendrick + (2 vacancies in the pen).
if smuggy signs pedro and keeps halladay out of the nl in 2010, he can still be justifiably smug.

of course, he can be a lot more smug if he turns victorino into a good shortstop prospect.

by **LongDrive** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 08:04:32

Guess we're not getting him! :cry:

by **VoxOrion** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 08:04:32

But.... but.....

11:36pm: One baseball source tells Tom Verducci of SI.com that the Phillies have been "very aggressive" in their efforts to obtain Halladay. Apparently the Phils are trying to find the players the Blue Jays want, even if that means looking on other teams.

This HAS to be true!

by **stevelxa476** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 08:35:22

FTN wrote:
Rococo4 wrote:what if we got him

the mets would only finish 5 games ahead of us

But how many ahead of us would the Braves finish?

by **Bakestar** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 09:23:07

Shared with teh Internet.

by **Woody** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:02:15

omg this is going to make all my friends and family so happy!

by **Bakestar** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:13:56

you're offseason filler

by **Grotewold** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:15:40

bumped out a Ken Dowell q&a

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:33:07

enjoy

http://www.metsrefugees.com/forum/showt ... hp?t=24643

by **The Crimson Cyclone** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:35:00

how delusional of them to think that they can trade for him

by **Woody** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:36:17

if he goes to the phillies we should avoid the FA market altogether in 2010 because we would have no fucking chance

by **Trent Steele** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:37:43

Woody wrote:
if he goes to the phillies we should avoid the FA market altogether in 2010 because we would have no $#@! chance

This is why I so desperately want to to get Halladay. Kill their spirit.

by **Bakestar** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:43:55

I wonder how the 'Fugees feel about that Verducci piece, and its central premise. Passed over, like Fredo?

by **Barry Jive** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:47:46

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:how delusional of them to think that they can trade for him

tbf there was only one or two guys who mentioned the possibility. The rest of them commented on how delusional the thought was

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:50:33

So if the Angels made an offer and the Jays are waiting to see what the Phillies want to do....does Amaro have enough time to move all the pieces he has to move around before the Jays just take the Angels offer and be done with it? (This is taking for granted the Angels offer was really made and that it is good enough.)

by **joe table** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:54:13

Two sources reported that the Angels offer was crap. From the Phillies, three team deal makes some sense with a 3rd getting Blanton, and the player/prospect from that team going to Toronto as an add-on

I'm assuming if they did that with Victorino it could get them more back to add to their internal offer, maybe helping ensure that Drabek stays out (Taylor would have to stay out too right, cause he's MLB ready unlike Brown?)....question is what contending team would want to aggressively spend for 2 years of Vic? Any ideas?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:56:00

Damn it all... not a Phillies yet.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:56:26

joe table wrote:Two sources reported that the Angels offer was crap. From the Phillies, three team deal makes some sense with a 3rd getting Blanton, and the player/prospect from that team going to Toronto as an add-on

I'm assuming if they did that with Victorino it could get them more back to add to their internal offer, maybe helping ensure that Drabek stays out (Taylor would have to stay out too right, cause he's MLB ready unlike Brown?)....question is what contending team would want to aggressively spend for 2 years of Vic? Any ideas?

Lets get Ed Wade on the phone

by **joe table** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:00:52

Teams that IMO would be most interested in Vic: White Sox, Cubs when they move Bradley, maybe SF Giants (move him to a corner). KC needs an CF and you can never count out Moore but they'd be better off going cheaper/more controllable

A lot of mid/big market, contender types have CFs already

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