2009 Draft Thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Mar 24, 2009 14:26:51

kruker wrote:Do you even try to mess with his mechanics, which most likely results in lesser stuff, or do you gamble and see if he can hold up?

I think you bring him to the big leagues ASAP and let it ride.

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Postby smitty » Tue Mar 24, 2009 18:21:49

Interesting article on the greatest pitcher ever:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

He's really going to be interesting to follow.

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Postby td11 » Tue Mar 24, 2009 19:01:04

thanks for posting that, smitty. it links to a pretty interesting read about steve dalkowski, whom i'd never heard of before.


... a hot spring day in Miami, Fla. Dalkowski is pitching batting practice for the Baltimore Orioles while Ted Williams watches curiously from behind the batting cage. After a few minutes Williams picks up a bat and steps into the cage. Reporters and players, who had been watching with only casual interest, move quickly around the cage to watch this classic confrontation. Williams takes three level, disciplined practice swings, cocks his bat and then motions with his head for Dalkowski to deliver the ball. Dalkowski goes into his spare pump. His right leg rises a few inches off the ground. His left arm pulls back and then flicks out from the side of his body like an attacking cobra. There is a sharp crack as his wrist snaps the ball toward the plate. Then silence. The ball does not rip through the air like most fastballs, but seems to just reappear silently in the catcher’s glove as if it had somehow decomposed and then recomposed itself without anyone having followed its progress.

The catcher holds the ball for a few seconds. It is just a few inches under Williams’ chin. Williams looks back at the ball, then out at Dalkowski, who is squinting at him. Then he drops the bat and steps out of the cage.

The writers immediately ask Williams how fast Steve Dalkowski really is. Williams, whose eyes were said to be so sharp that he could count the stitches on a baseball as it rotated toward the plate, says that he did not see the pitch, and that Steve Dalkowski is the fastest pitcher he ever faced and probably who ever lived, and that he would be damned if he would ever face him again if he could help it.
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Postby smitty » Tue Mar 24, 2009 19:28:23

td11 wrote:thanks for posting that, smitty. it links to a pretty interesting read about steve dalkowski, whom i'd never heard of before.


... a hot spring day in Miami, Fla. Dalkowski is pitching batting practice for the Baltimore Orioles while Ted Williams watches curiously from behind the batting cage. After a few minutes Williams picks up a bat and steps into the cage. Reporters and players, who had been watching with only casual interest, move quickly around the cage to watch this classic confrontation. Williams takes three level, disciplined practice swings, $#@! his bat and then motions with his head for Dalkowski to deliver the ball. Dalkowski goes into his spare pump. His right leg rises a few inches off the ground. His left arm pulls back and then flicks out from the side of his body like an attacking cobra. There is a sharp crack as his wrist snaps the ball toward the plate. Then silence. The ball does not rip through the air like most fastballs, but seems to just reappear silently in the catcher’s glove as if it had somehow decomposed and then recomposed itself without anyone having followed its progress.

The catcher holds the ball for a few seconds. It is just a few inches under Williams’ chin. Williams looks back at the ball, then out at Dalkowski, who is squinting at him. Then he drops the bat and steps out of the cage.

The writers immediately ask Williams how fast Steve Dalkowski really is. Williams, whose eyes were said to be so sharp that he could count the stitches on a baseball as it rotated toward the plate, says that he did not see the pitch, and that Steve Dalkowski is the fastest pitcher he ever faced and probably who ever lived, and that he would be damned if he would ever face him again if he could help it.


I remember reading about Dalkowski for the first time many years ago. I remember being really surprised. It was in an article about "the fastest pitcher ever." Of course all the folks who were interviewed talked about Walter Johnson, Bob Fellwer and Nolan Ryan and guys like that. But they all concluded with "but Dalkowski was the fastes ever." I remember saying to myself: "Holy crud, I never heard of this guy."

Dalkowski bounced around in the minor leagues for 9 years. He had seasons like this: 62 IP; 121 Ks; 129 BB; 22 hits and 68 runs allowed!!!! He did this year after year, scaring the crap out of low minor league hitters around the country.

Earl Weaver go ahold of him one season. Weaver, who was always way ahead of everyone else, gave his players IQ tests. Dalkowski's was really low -- Bill James wrote that it was 60. Anyway, Weaver discovered that coaches were giving Dalkowski way more information and advice than he could ever handle. Weaver told him to just thow a fastball and a slider and to not worry about anything else. And Dalkowski proceeded to have a great year. Unfortunately, the next season at spring training, some coach go ahold of him and wanted him to work on a curve ball. Dalkowski hurt his arm and he was done.

If I remember correctly, Dalkowski ended up having a big alcohol problem and stuff like that. An interesting story.

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Postby philliesphhan » Tue Mar 24, 2009 21:16:52

FTN wrote:Boswell is an idiot

If the Nats pass on Strasburg, and in 5 years he's won a Cy Young, they may as well move the team again. If there was a flat out stud position player, that would be one thing, but there isn't. Ackley is a good hitter, but if he can't play CF, his value is greatly diminished, and Grant Green has struggled out of the gate.

Strasburg isn't going to get a $25M deal. 15M. And the Nats would be morons to pass on him


The odds say he's more likely to be Ben McDonald (78-70) than Walter Johnson.


I hate when people make dopey comparisons like this. Of course, he's not going to be Walter Johnson.
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Postby FTN » Wed Mar 25, 2009 15:11:14

Jonathan (Atlanta): Seems like there is alot of attention on the internet about Strasburg and the "invereted W". Is it a big deal? If it was such a big deal, why would we not hear more about it from scouts?

SportsNation Jim Callis: (2:47 PM ET ) I actually wrote a column about this that should be posted on baseballamerica.com today or tomorrow. One internet site came up with the inverted W and a lot of bloggers seem to have run with it. We've talked to 10-20 scouts about Strasburg, and none of them is worried about his mechanics. I joked with Keith Law that he didn't mention the inverted W (isn't that an M?) in his Strasburg blog on ESPN.com, and Keith's reply was that it didn't exist when he saw him. Could Strasburg get hurt? Sure, but that's true of any pitcher. Scouts don't think his delivery puts him at risk, and yes, that's still no guarantee he'll stay healthy.

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Postby Werthless » Wed Mar 25, 2009 15:54:01

Did the scouts have straw hats? I only trust a scout if he's wearing a straw hat.

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Postby kruker » Wed Mar 25, 2009 15:57:23

The scouts win either way and the drive line mechanics guys don't benefit either way.
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Postby ReadingPhilly » Wed Mar 25, 2009 15:58:06

strasburg article in sports illustrated this week

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Postby Werthless » Wed Mar 25, 2009 15:58:33

I'll bet these bloggers still live in their parents' basements.

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Postby thephan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:23:19

I have no doubt that the Nationals have to draft Strasburg, otherwise they have no credibility as a team. The amount of money being 'demanded' is shear stupidity. I would agree that if you need to pay the bounty, you may as well put him into the rotation immediately, after all the Nats are a fair AAA team so it is not going to hurt them in the standings.
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Postby FTN » Fri Mar 27, 2009 19:52:12

Lots of info on Strasburg at BA

Many of the Internet worries seem to originate from a November post at drivelinemechanics.com. The site's webmaster, Kyle Boddy, rated Strasburg's arm action as very bad, his tempo as average to bad, his release as good and his follow-through as very bad. Boddy concluded by predicting a steady decline in Strasburg's velocity early in his career and eventually a significant shoulder injury.

It's unclear what Boddy's credentials are, but several other bloggers have taken that post and run with it. (Don't tell Buzz Bissinger.) If I had $5 for every email or chat question I've received about Strasburg's impending doom, I'd be close to meeting his asking price.

Baseball America has yet to encounter a scout who was terribly worried about Strasburg's mechanics. The closest we've come is when we talked to one scouting director who said he had some trepidation last summer, but that wouldn't have prevented him from taking Strasburg first overall in the 2009 draft.

When he saw Strasburg again early this year, those concerns evaporated.

"He's not picture-perfect clean, but he's not a max-effort guy either," the scouting director said. "His arm works really good out front. When I saw him this year, he was a lot tighter and cleaner than he was last summer. I thought, 'Wow, he's really cleaned it up.' If I'm picking 1-1, he's my guy."

Another scout was more blunt.

"There's nothing that looks like a red flag to me," he said. "That is the newest annoying trend on the Internet to me, with all the mechanics experts. It's kind of a bizarre phenomenon, really. Of course, he's a pitcher, so he has a chance of breaking down and then they can say they are right."


http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/p ... 67846.html

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Postby FTN » Fri Mar 27, 2009 23:02:33

8 IP -- 2 ER -- 3 H -- 14 K -- 1 BB -- 1 HR

disappointing performance.

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Postby kruker » Fri Mar 27, 2009 23:04:04

He's probably inflicting corporal punishment on himself as we speak.
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Postby Bakestar » Fri Mar 27, 2009 23:37:43

FTN wrote:8 IP -- 2 ER -- 3 H -- 14 K -- 1 BB -- 1 HR

disappointing performance.


OMG steep decline in performance! Mechanics! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!
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Postby FTN » Fri Mar 27, 2009 23:46:27

how does he give up a HR.

Nats should pass

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Postby Bakestar » Fri Mar 27, 2009 23:49:39

He reminds me precisely of Brien Taylor.
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Postby FTN » Sat Mar 28, 2009 00:05:59

i was just flipping through the channel lineup and stumbled upon a replay of OU v Kansas State. Its 13-0 OU in the top of the first, 2 outs.

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Postby Ace Rothstein » Sat Mar 28, 2009 00:13:19

FTN wrote:i was just flipping through the channel lineup and stumbled upon a replay of OU v Kansas State. Its 13-0 OU in the top of the first, 2 outs.



i caught this in like the 6th inning a couple days ago , i wont ruin it for you

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Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:31:10

FTN wrote:8 IP -- 2 ER -- 3 H -- 14 K -- 1 BB -- 1 HR

disappointing performance.


someone is getting laid

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