2009 Draft Thread

Postby steagles » Wed Oct 29, 2008 22:44:52

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if you don't know what the wrestlers are trying to do--how certain moves and holds are supposed to work and so forth, then it might just look like too sweaty guys rolling around on a mat.

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Postby FTN » Tue Dec 23, 2008 22:50:15

First-Round Picks
1. Nationals
2. Mariners
3. Padres
4. Pirates
5. Orioles
6. Giants
7. Braves
8. Reds
9. Tigers
10. Nationals (for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Aaron Crow)
11. Rockies
12. Royals
13. Athletics
14. Rangers
15. Indians
16. Diamondbacks
17. Dodgers
18. Marlins
19. Cardinals
20. Blue Jays
21. Mariners (if they fail to sign 2008 first-rounder Joshua Fields)
22. Astros
23. Twins
24. White Sox
25. Angels (from Mets for Francisco Rodriguez, A)
26. Angels (from Yankees for C.C. Sabathia, A)
27. Brewers
28. Mariners (from Phillies for Raul Ibanez, A)
29. Yankees (for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Gerrit Cole)
30. Red Sox
31. Rays
32. Cubs
33. Angels
Supplemental First-Round Picks
34. Mariners (Ibanez)
35. Blue Jays (A.J. Burnett, A, to Yankees)
36. Brewers (Sabathia)
37. Angels (Rodriguez)
38. Reds (Jeremy Affeldt, B, to Giants)
Second-Round Changes
49. Pirates (for failure to sign 2008 second-rounder Tanner Scheppers)
63. Blue Jays (from Yankees for Burnett)
Third-Round Changes
76. Yankees (for failure to sign 2008 second-rounder Scott Bittle)
Supplemental Third-Round Picks
101. Astros (for failure to sign 2008 third-rounder Chase Davidson)
Remaining Compensation Free Agents
Ari: Juan Cruz (A), Orlando Hudson (A), Brandon Lyon (B).
Bos: Jason Varitek (A), Paul Byrd (B).
CWS: Orlando Cabrera (A).
Col: Brian Fuentes (A).
KC: Mark Grudzielanek (B).
LAA: Mark Teixeira (A), Jon Garland (B).
LAD: Derek Lowe (A), Manny Ramirez (A).
Mil: Ben Sheets (A), Brian Shouse (B).
Min: Dennys Reyes (B).
NYM: Oliver Perez (A).
Tex: Milton Bradley (B).

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Postby FTN » Tue Feb 10, 2009 18:55:45

• Steven Strasburg has been lights-out in preseason outings for San Diego State, sitting 97-100 in one recent outing with a plus-plus curveball. One scouting director told me that Strasburg's delivery was cleaner and that he was in better shape than when he saw the pitcher last summer.


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Strasburg's college career thus far, if you're following at home.

134.1 IP -- 79 H -- 31 BB -- 180 K -- 1 HR

Those ratios, in case you were curious

5.30 H/9 -- 2.08 BB/9 -- 12.08 K/9 -- 0.07 HR/9

How will the Nationals screw this one up?

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Postby CFP » Tue Feb 10, 2009 19:03:17

FTN wrote:
• Steven Strasburg has been lights-out in preseason outings for San Diego State, sitting 97-100 in one recent outing with a plus-plus curveball. One scouting director told me that Strasburg's delivery was cleaner and that he was in better shape than when he saw the pitcher last summer.



How will the Nationals screw this one up?


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Postby kruker » Tue Feb 10, 2009 21:00:44

Interesting write-up on SS. Argues that Strasburg is second to David Price in the short term "best college pitcher ever" category.

Strasburg

Obviously he does some things well, I mean he throws 99 mph with great control. However, there are enough red flags that I believe he's a major injury risk. That does not mean he will absolutely get hurt, just that he's more likely to other people. Without taking him to ASMI (American Sports Medicine Institute) labs and getting specific joint load data, no one can say for sure.



Conclusion:

While I think it's likely Strasburg will eventually be scarred by a surgeon's blade, right now I would advise the Nats to still take him first next June. He's so good, historically good, that his level of talent is very rare. There isn't a Joe Mauer or Mark Teixeira in this draft to compete for the No. 1 spot. So I'd grab Strasburg, hand him a giant sack with a money sign on it -- after I lose a fiddle contest with Scott Boras -- let him dominate for a couple years then turn him into my Herschal Walker. Despite being "injury-prone", Mark Prior has managed 650+ innings, Kerry Wood over 1,200, A.J. Burnett 1,300+, and Ben Sheets over 1,400. Can you imagine the haul if Chicago would have traded Prior in 2004? Besides, maybe Strasburg really is a once-in-a-generation freak who can handle extra stress.


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Postby thephan » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:05:34

Does the CBA deal with the draft rights to a player? I think MLB need to insist on some kind of rights to a player for several years if the player goes to play professionally rather then work things out with the drafting team. The back end mess is if the rights term is three years, and the player goes and hides out for a year or two, unless the compensation pick is eliminated. Maybe there is a trade of rights clause too after the first year.

I think that the current economy takes care of players not signing, but the ever more common trend to sit out a year and look for a payday with who you want has started to get ugly.
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Postby lethal » Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:49:19

thephan wrote:Does the CBA deal with the draft rights to a player? I think MLB need to insist on some kind of rights to a player for several years if the player goes to play professionally rather then work things out with the drafting team. The back end mess is if the rights term is three years, and the player goes and hides out for a year or two, unless the compensation pick is eliminated. Maybe there is a trade of rights clause too after the first year.

I think that the current economy takes care of players not signing, but the ever more common trend to sit out a year and look for a payday with who you want has started to get ugly.


What trend are you talking about? I bet you can't name a single player who was drafted by a team they did not want to play for, so they sat out a year and then went on to sign with a team of his own choosing. You can't because it is not allowed.

If a drafted player is not signed, he's thrown into the draft pool the following year. The team that did not sign him gets a comp pick provided that it is within the first 3 rounds.

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Postby FTN » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:18:40

kruker wrote:Interesting write-up on SS. Argues that Strasburg is second to David Price in the short term "best college pitcher ever" category.

Strasburg

Obviously he does some things well, I mean he throws 99 mph with great control. However, there are enough red flags that I believe he's a major injury risk. That does not mean he will absolutely get hurt, just that he's more likely to other people. Without taking him to ASMI (American Sports Medicine Institute) labs and getting specific joint load data, no one can say for sure.



Conclusion:

While I think it's likely Strasburg will eventually be scarred by a surgeon's blade, right now I would advise the Nats to still take him first next June. He's so good, historically good, that his level of talent is very rare. There isn't a Joe Mauer or Mark Teixeira in this draft to compete for the No. 1 spot. So I'd grab Strasburg, hand him a giant sack with a money sign on it -- after I lose a fiddle contest with Scott Boras -- let him dominate for a couple years then turn him into my Herschal Walker. Despite being "injury-prone", Mark Prior has managed 650+ innings, Kerry Wood over 1,200, A.J. Burnett 1,300+, and Ben Sheets over 1,400. Can you imagine the haul if Chicago would have traded Prior in 2004? Besides, maybe Strasburg really is a once-in-a-generation freak who can handle extra stress.


Background story on why he wasn't drafted out of HS


Yeah the big knock on him was his delivery. But if the writeup KLaw posted is to be believed, his delivery has been cleaned up.

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There are a few issues there. But if hes cleaned it up, I don't see what is going to stop him.

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Postby thephan » Wed Feb 11, 2009 14:05:35

lethal wrote:What trend are you talking about? I bet you can't name a single player who was drafted by a team they did not want to play for, so they sat out a year and then went on to sign with a team of his own choosing. You can't because it is not allowed.

If a drafted player is not signed, he's thrown into the draft pool the following year. The team that did not sign him gets a comp pick provided that it is within the first 3 rounds.


Where my want to is an overstatement, the idea that you pick who you don't whichh becomes a pretty strong warning to others that the player is a cactus.

The comp pick is nice, but it blows a hole in your farm system. Look at the Phils giving up first round picks to sign B rate player, and measure how happy people have been about the lack of first rounders. Although it is a crap shoot, having that pick is better then having one next year, I would suggest, as I would also say that the effort that goes into making a pick to be held up because independent ball is an option and there is a payday next year is not particularly a decent option in my opinion.

I know that we all feel really good that JD Drew jammed us. Sure he has been less stellar then expected, but would you rather have had Drew, who the team may have traded or Eric Valent who eventually got us Kelly Stinnett.
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Postby steagles » Wed Feb 11, 2009 14:27:25

lethal wrote:
thephan wrote:Does the CBA deal with the draft rights to a player? I think MLB need to insist on some kind of rights to a player for several years if the player goes to play professionally rather then work things out with the drafting team. The back end mess is if the rights term is three years, and the player goes and hides out for a year or two, unless the compensation pick is eliminated. Maybe there is a trade of rights clause too after the first year.

I think that the current economy takes care of players not signing, but the ever more common trend to sit out a year and look for a payday with who you want has started to get ugly.


What trend are you talking about? I bet you can't name a single player who was drafted by a team they did not want to play for, so they sat out a year and then went on to sign with a team of his own choosing. You can't because it is not allowed.

If a drafted player is not signed, he's thrown into the draft pool the following year. The team that did not sign him gets a comp pick provided that it is within the first 3 rounds.
well, there was bryan morris and jordan walden, who both sat out a year so as to make more money/choose where they'd play. hochevar did something similar, as did aaron crow.


and it also showed up with HS picks who just flat wouldn't sign with a team if they drafted him. beyond JD drew there was stephen drew and jered weaver. teams just learned their lesson and stayed away from those guys.

it's just a really shitty process right now. if a team drafts you, they should own your rights for at least the three years. and then, if after three years, you're still not in, you'd go back into the draft as a senior.

and i agree that player's rights should be traded even if they're not signed.
if you don't know what the wrestlers are trying to do--how certain moves and holds are supposed to work and so forth, then it might just look like too sweaty guys rolling around on a mat.

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Postby lethal » Wed Feb 11, 2009 14:33:12

1) JD Drew was drafted in 1997. 12 years ago. Get over it.
2) They changed the comp system in the last CBA. If you don't sign a plyer, you get a pick in the next draft in that same slot that you picked last year. Previously it was a sandwich pick after the FA comp sandwich picks. If that system had been in place in 1997, we would've had the 1st and 2B picks in the 1998 draft. Instead of Eric Valent, we would've had our choice of Pat Burrell plus anyone besides Mark Mulder who was chosen 2nd by Oakland.

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Postby lethal » Wed Feb 11, 2009 14:53:52

steagles wrote:
lethal wrote:
thephan wrote:Does the CBA deal with the draft rights to a player? I think MLB need to insist on some kind of rights to a player for several years if the player goes to play professionally rather then work things out with the drafting team. The back end mess is if the rights term is three years, and the player goes and hides out for a year or two, unless the compensation pick is eliminated. Maybe there is a trade of rights clause too after the first year.

I think that the current economy takes care of players not signing, but the ever more common trend to sit out a year and look for a payday with who you want has started to get ugly.


What trend are you talking about? I bet you can't name a single player who was drafted by a team they did not want to play for, so they sat out a year and then went on to sign with a team of his own choosing. You can't because it is not allowed.

If a drafted player is not signed, he's thrown into the draft pool the following year. The team that did not sign him gets a comp pick provided that it is within the first 3 rounds.
well, there was bryan morris and jordan walden, who both sat out a year so as to make more money/choose where they'd play. hochevar did something similar, as did aaron crow.

Let's see.

Hochevar who was drafted in the 40th round by the Dodgers in 2005 and sat out a year to get drafted by KC in 2006? That's how he chose his team?

Aaron Crow who was the Nat's pick last year and didn't sign so he could re-enter this years draft and the Nats goet to pick 10A to make up for it?

Morris was drafted in 06 by the Dodgers in the 1st round and signed. I'm not familiar with his story relating to this situation.

Walden was a draft and follow as far as I can tell.

None of those players became free choice FAs and then chose their team. They all would have been placed in the draft pool the following year. They wanted more money and took risks to try to accomplish that. Any of those guys could've easily become the next Matt Harrington.

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Postby FTN » Sat Feb 21, 2009 14:32:32

Strasburg's 1st outing of the spring

5.2 IP -- 3 H - 1 R (0 ER) -- 11 K -- 2 BB

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Postby kruker » Mon Feb 23, 2009 17:11:26

Strasburg's fastball lit up the radar guns. While a couple of scouts had him at 100 in the first inning, his gas was sitting at 96-99 from the windup and 93-96 from the stretch all afternoon. His curveball, which is more of a tight-rotation slurve than a 12-to-6 drop, was 79-81, a few mph below his normal 81-84 range according to a scout who has followed him closely. Strasburg's breaking ball didn't have as much depth as you might like, especially when he released it away from his body, but it is an effective companion to his heater.

If Strasburg's fastball is a "plus plus" or a 75/80 on the 20-80 scale that scouts use, his curveball was more like "solid average" or a 55 on Friday. He experienced occasional problems in landing his front foot correctly, causing him to be a bit off balance when throwing his slurve.


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Postby steagles » Mon Feb 23, 2009 17:18:54

you people are gonna drive yourselves crazy if you don't stop with this.


be happy with the haul we got last year. pettibone, may, knapp, shreve, cosart, stutes, and worley could very well be the makings for an elite 2013 rotation. it's going to be a lot more fun, and a lot more rewarding, to follow them this season as they start down the road towards being major league pitchers.
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Postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Feb 23, 2009 17:20:24

that made little sense

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Postby td11 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 17:34:07

Did the phils draft strasburg at some point or what?
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Postby Squire » Mon Feb 23, 2009 17:36:49

Brandon Workman's first start of the Spring:

7.0IP, 2H, 0R, 0BB, 7K

Actually, I guess this should be in the 2010 draft thread (or the 2007 Draft Thread).

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Postby FTN » Mon Feb 23, 2009 20:22:33

It was Strasburg's first start of the year. The first start, where most guys are at 80%. If thats his 80%, then he's going to have a historic season.

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Postby FTN » Mon Feb 23, 2009 21:56:20

Once the game began, Strasburg did not disappoint. His first six fastballs registered 98-99-98-98-99-98. Strasburg mixed in his wicked 81-82 mph slurve, which when coupled with his fastball can be described as blatantly unfair. To his credit, Strasburg maintains his stuff as a game proceeds, touching 97 and 98 in the fifth inning while maintaining his 81-82 breaking ball.

For scouts, Mark Prior remains the gold standard for college righthanded pitching prospects. Blessed with a perfect frame, excellent mechanics, pinpoint control and a phenomenal arm, Prior was the second selection in the 2001 draft, eventually signing with the Chicago Cubs for a major league contract that guaranteed him $10.5 million.

Comparisons between Strasburg and Prior are natural and inevitable. However, there are some subtle differences between the two. Both have ideal builds and once in a decade arms, but Prior's mechanics and command were noticeably more refined and polished at a similar stage.

For any pitcher at any level, command and mechanics are flip sides of the same coin. Prior's textbook mechanics gave him precise control. Strasburg's delivery fundamentals are not yet at a comparable level, and his command suffers as a result.

As two examples, Prior's arm slot was a high three-quarters; Strasburg's is three quarters to low three quarters, and varies more than did Prior's. Prior's finish was perfectly balanced. Strasburg will occasionally land on a stiff front leg and tumble to his left, or employ a quick hop at his delivery finish, a sign of a loss of balance.

Both possessed explosive high 90's fastballs, but their curves differ. Prior's breaking ball was more of a true curve, with distinct two-plane break and a diagonal tilt. Strasburg's hammer is more of a slurve, starting at a hitter's thighs, then swerving sharply down and sideways to shin level


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The myth of Prior's "perfect mechanics" will never go away.

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