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by **thephan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:42:45

I am not interested in Bradley. I am not sure that the coaches can handle potentially explosive players, and the fans are not great for fragile egos. This just screams problems to me.

I am still not sure who was Myer's "therapist", or how he was righted, but I have little to no confidence that the team can take much of that dysfunction, and I have less faith that we will provide the breathing room.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:43:17

philliesphhan wrote:
1. Pat Burrell: Asked if the Phillies will aggressively try to re-signing the left fielder, Amaro said, "We haven't made a decision yet." He said negotiations haven't begun with Burrell's agents, Greg Genske and Philly-based Ed Hayes. Burrell has said he'd like to come back, but at this point, he may be best-suited to be a DH. And he figures to get a lucrative contract offer from several teams. Amaro seems to have ruled out Manny Ramirez (too expensive) as a replacement. So, if Burrell bolts, what are the alternatives? Amaro noted two in-house options -- Matt Stairs and Geoff Jenkins -- and several months ago, Charlie Manuel and Davey Lopes expressed their belief that Greg Dobbs' best position may well be left field.

When I first read that at Philly.com, I thought somebody would post it. In the same article, there was also this quote from Manuel (which was entitled "Phillies would need righthanded bat if Burrell leaves"):

"We've got to get a righthand hitter," Manuel said. "Ruben and I were talking about that. If we don't get Burrell back, we've got to get another righthand hitter. I mean we have to, to balance out our lineup."

by **kruker** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:46:53

The City of Champions floats the rumor of a trade between the Marlins and Dodgers. The story is Scott Olsen and Dan Uggla for Russell Martin.

This was on baseballmusings.

That's a pretty good trade for us.

by **my cousin mose** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:48:25

i want no part of bradley, no matter how great of a year he had this year--both because of his prickley personality and it's potential mix with the city/clubhouse; and because it's my understanding he got most of his at-bats from the DH spot, making him less succetible to injury. I could be wrong, but for lots of reasons, i'll pass

by **Woody** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:49:18

kruker wrote:
The City of Champions floats the rumor of a trade between the Marlins and Dodgers. The story is Scott Olsen and Dan Uggla for Russell Martin.

This was on baseballmusings.

That's a pretty good trade for us.

Hells yes

by **thephan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:52:23

kruker wrote:
The City of Champions floats the rumor of a trade between the Marlins and Dodgers. The story is Scott Olsen and Dan Uggla for Russell Martin.

This was on baseballmusings.

That's a pretty good trade for us.

That is an awfully good deal for LA. Florida seems shrewder that that. Trading Uggla seems like a bad PR move in a place that cannot afford bad press as well. I am going with low confidence in this happening.

by **philliesphhan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:55:02

thephan wrote:I am not interested in Bradley. I am not sure that the coaches can handle potentially explosive players, and the fans are not great for fragile egos. This just screams problems to me.

I am still not sure who was Myer's "therapist", or how he was righted, but I have little to no confidence that the team can take much of that dysfunction, and I have less faith that we will provide the breathing room.

I'd worry far, far more about his injury history than his explosiveness which, in my opinion, has been greatly exaggerated.

by **thephan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 14:56:35

philliesphhan wrote:
thephan wrote:I am not interested in Bradley. I am not sure that the coaches can handle potentially explosive players, and the fans are not great for fragile egos. This just screams problems to me.

I am still not sure who was Myer's "therapist", or how he was righted, but I have little to no confidence that the team can take much of that dysfunction, and I have less faith that we will provide the breathing room.

I'd worry far, far more about his injury history than his explosiveness which, in my opinion, has been greatly exaggerated.

There is that too. When was it he hurt himself? Double down.

by **PhillyFriar** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 15:57:48

kruker wrote:That's awesome about Swisher. He'd be perfect here in replacing Burrell, plus he'd give us flexibility for the inevitable Howard deal (we wouldn't have to get a first baseman in return). I'd honestly have no problem dealing away serious prospects to get Swisher (if Carrasco was the centerpiece of the deal, I wouldn't think twice about it).

I know it's a long shot, but from looking around the league for the last few days, I think it may be our best option for replacing Pat and setting us up for the future.

We're of like mind here. I'd been a proponent of signing Burrell to a 3-year deal, with the idea being to move him to 1st base for the latter two years after dealing Howard. But Swisher's a superior option: better (and more versatile) glove, better against RHP (due to the switch hitting), younger, more affordable contract.

The hang up would be the prospects. Williams won't want to dump him for nothing, especially after the haul he surrendered to get Swisher a year ago (in addition to our good friend Gio Gonzalez, both Ryan Sweeney and Fautino de los Santos were Top 100 prospects either last year or this year). I don't see any way to keep Carrasco out of this deal, but maybe he, Golson, and mid-level prospect could get us in the door? It hurts to lose the prospects, but we'll get 2 additional draft picks for Burrell, and the 2008 Draft was a good one.

theycallmeSPIKE wrote:That said, would you expand the deal to include Vasquez?

I wouldn't personally. Whatever Vazquez's playoff ineptitude, he still has value as a mi-rotation starter on a relatively affordable contract ($23 million over the next 2 years) -- so everyone acting like he has no value and should be swapped for Luis Castillo or Julio Lugo is flat-out crazy. He'd cost more prospects on top of Swisher, and I'd be loathe to gut the farm system to that extent.

Edit: forgot to say, thanks to everyone for the welcome. The world (and team message boards) are a much nicer place when your team wins a title, huh? :-D

by **DiamondDerby** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 16:32:50

thephan wrote:I am not interested in Bradley. I am not sure that the coaches can handle potentially explosive players, and the fans are not great for fragile egos. This just screams problems to me.

I am still not sure who was Myer's "therapist", or how he was righted, but I have little to no confidence that the team can take much of that dysfunction, and I have less faith that we will provide the breathing room.

Agree. The Phils culture is not quite goody-two-shoes--they're a bit rough and tumble and like clubhouse humor, etc. But the fun and energy are always team oreiented. I am not worried about the coaches. The team will not tolerate an "all about me" player.

by **DiamondDerby** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 16:38:08

Don't know about acquiring Vazquez or another questionable pitcher. I say if you can't get Burnett, Sheets or Lowe, don't trade top prospects for someone who might be worse than your top 3 or 4 starters. Could be better also, but he has really slipped.

by **BigB** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 16:45:21

What would it cost to get Cory Hart from the Brewers. Would a Ryan Madson for Cory Hart deal make sense to both teams? Hart is controllable for 3 more years and would put up similar numbers to Burrell

by **kruker** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:03:20

BigB wrote:What would it cost to get Cory Hart from the Brewers. Would a Ryan Madson for Cory Hart deal make sense to both teams? Hart is controllable for 3 more years and would put up similar numbers to Burrell

His numbers are nowhere near Pat's.

Corey Hart stats

If you don't like plate discipline and can deal with up and down power, then he's your guy. In 2 out of his 3 seasons with 200+ AB's, he's been a below average player. His 2007 was a nice year, but there's no real reason to expect him to be anything more than slightly above average in his best seasons.

by **Barry Jive** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:14:23

kruker wrote:
BigB wrote:What would it cost to get Cory Hart from the Brewers. Would a Ryan Madson for Cory Hart deal make sense to both teams? Hart is controllable for 3 more years and would put up similar numbers to Burrell

His numbers are nowhere near Pat's.

Corey Hart stats

If you don't like plate discipline and can deal with up and down power, then he's your guy. In 2 out of his 3 seasons with 200+ AB's, he's been a below average player. His 2007 was a nice year, but there's no real reason to expect him to be anything more than slightly above average in his best seasons.

Not to mention, the Brewers' asking price is going to be a lot more than Ryan Madson, and a lot more than Hart's worth.

by **steven snell** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:24:54

kruker wrote:That's awesome about Swisher. He'd be perfect here in replacing Burrell, plus he'd give us flexibility for the inevitable Howard deal (we wouldn't have to get a first baseman in return). I'd honestly have no problem dealing away serious prospects to get Swisher (if Carrasco was the centerpiece of the deal, I wouldn't think twice about it).

I know it's a long shot, but from looking around the league for the last few days, I think it may be our best option for replacing Pat and setting us up for the future.

Maybe someone can dig up that pic they posted with Swisher and Blanton with a couple of roadies.. I cant find it.

Found it....

by **thephan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:27:53

And I don't think that the Brewers are overly inclined to deal with the Phils. We got them not once, but twice. Anything that could benefit the Phils in any way I think is off the table unless it is a complete marauding of the farm, or they are knowingly trading broken goods.

by **steven snell** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:32:44

Grotewold wrote:
thephan wrote:Does anyone think that the Phillies would seriously consider Burnett? He seems to have recovered from his physical problems. Certainly, he performed, which goes without saying being that he is looking for a payday. Amaro is looking to sure up pitching he says. In a way money cold become an issue fast, and any flashy signing could signal other trouble in the arbitration cases.

I'd love it, but I'm not sure they'd pay him and Myers upwards of $28MM next year, and I'm not sure there's a huge trade market out there for Myers.

Calling Ed Wade........ Hellloooooo

by **CFP** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:47:29

Corey Hart sucks. Real bad.

by **philliesphhan** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:52:56

CFP wrote:Corey Hart sucks. Real bad.

by **steven snell** » Wed Nov 05, 2008 18:33:15

Brad Penny now a free agent. Dodgers declined option.

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