Phillies vs Dodgers: NLCS Discussion

Postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:20:53

Houshphandzadeh wrote:Couple things:

I think you guys are in sort of a "can't talk" position because it's not like you are interested in fairness for the Philly teams, you want more Phillies because the Phillies are your favorite. I'm saying this as a huge Sixers fan. This summer, the Sixers made the biggest free agent acquisition in terms of team impact in Philadelphia since..... since.... ever? And it was third on SportsNite. I didn't hear any Phillies fans standing up for us, saying, "Hey guys, that's a big deal, way more important than a July baseball game, so let's give them the floor for a second."


I rarely watch SportsNite --- I prefer to get my news from the internet/newspapers --- but the Elton Brand signing was only third that day as a story? WTF?

When I was younger, going to the Vet for the first time by myself (i.e., without Dad) --- in 1997, 1998, 1999, etc., I used to complain and worry about how the Phillies were just the red-headed step children in this town, and how nobody liked them, etc., even though, in 1998 and 1999, they fielded teams that were competitive through much of the summer. At the time, of course, the Sixers were on the rise, and I was a "young" fan of the team (I had taken up the Sixers mantle in 1998, in an arrangement I made with one of my few sports-fanatic friends: he would become a more conscientious Phillies fan if I would become a conscientious Sixers fan), and tickets wer every hard to come by. I assumed it was always like this.

Then I moved to Philadelphia, and got my first partial season plan in 2004-2005.

And suddenly I realized: if the Sixers don't have an absolutely marquis player, like AI or Dr. J, nobody gives a damn. I realized that it's not like it was with the Phillies, even in the darkest days of 1996 and 1997; the city was ANGRY about baseball from the strike, and with Phillies ownership for being what they perceived to be terribly cheap. Anger is an emotion you feel if you care. When AI was no longer a new act, and people perceived that the Sixers had reached their peak, they weren't angry. They were totally apathetic. I remember reading on here once when someone counted a period of over 30 days where the Sixers went without a single mention in the Inquirer. The Sixers had a good, young team last year that played extraordinarily well down the stretch and who were always very exciting to watch. And still, they had trouble pulling in more than 15,000 a night. And they were hardly ever the lead story in the paper or elsewhere. Because the Sixers are the true red-headed step child in this town: an afterthought.

This, of course, has dialed up my support of the Sixers. I used to say my three favorite teams were, in order, the Phillies, Eagles, and Sixers. But, for the last two years at least, it's been the Phillies, Sixers, and Eagles, and is likely to stay that way. The Sixers need me as a fan; the Eagles would have me killed if it would make them an extra $20.
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Postby Grotewold » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:21:31

Squire wrote:Saw a Jeff Grotewold jersey


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Postby Houshphandzadeh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:35:46

I'm just so excited.

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Postby bleh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:58:35

just saw this photo in a mlb.com article:
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Postby Bakestar » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:03:07

bleh wrote:just saw this photo in a mlb.com article:
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Photoshop project for later: crop and place Victorino's head there.
Foreskin stupid

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Postby Stay_Disappointed » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:44:22

anybody got numberz on what who wins a LCS based on who wins the first game?
I would rather see you lose than win myself

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Postby Grotewold » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:47:21

Warszawa wrote:anybody got numberz on what who wins a LCS based on who wins the first game?


27-17 in favor of the Game One Winner, says Ron Burke

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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:47:54

no jinx
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby Marion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:49:19

Warszawa wrote:anybody got numberz on what who wins a LCS based on who wins the first game?


MLB.com says "Teams that have taken 1-0 leads have won 26 of the 38 NLCS."
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Postby Woody » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:50:34

EXPLAIN YOURSELF, RON BURKE
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby VoxOrion » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:54:57

Entertaining story about Phillies fans and the "home field" advantage.
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Postby Grotewold » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:56:17

Woody wrote:EXPLAIN YOURSELF, RON BURKE


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Postby FTN » Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:03:47

Billingsley walks lots of guys.

Patience.

And I'd start Stairs in RF instead of Werth, btw

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Postby Shore » Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:06:40

ek wrote:they will absolutely need to manufacture runs in Dodger Stadium


If we played 3 games at home, we'd likely hit 4 homers. If we play 3 games in Dodger stadium, we'll likely hit about 3. Aside from the fact that OUR pitchers will be better, too, we'd have to manufacture about 1 homers' worth over 3 games.

We're going to kick their asses.

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Postby lethal » Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:20:40

Marion wrote:
Warszawa wrote:anybody got numberz on what who wins a LCS based on who wins the first game?


MLB.com says "Teams that have taken 1-0 leads have won 26 of the 38 NLCS."


Anyone got the numbers for winning the first game at home?

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Postby Bob Loblaw » Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:26:57

Think Coste will play this series?
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Postby Barry Jive » Fri Oct 10, 2008 13:44:27

DOBBS!!!

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Postby VFB » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:13:30

changes for LA

furcal
martin
manny
either
loney
kemp
dewitt
blake
billingsley


4:35 start time according to yahoo

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Postby smitty » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:21:31

Shore wrote:
ek wrote:they will absolutely need to manufacture runs in Dodger Stadium


If we played 3 games at home, we'd likely hit 4 homers. If we play 3 games in Dodger stadium, we'll likely hit about 3. Aside from the fact that OUR pitchers will be better, too, we'd have to manufacture about 1 homers' worth over 3 games.

We're going to kick their asses.


The big thing I notice when looking at home road splits for these two teams is the Dodger pitchers. They had a 3.01 ERA at home compared to a 4.40 away mark. They strike out a lot more guys at homwe and allow many fewer hits, walks and homers.

They hit nearly the same this season overall with a .731 vs. .732 OPS home and away. Of course, this is a different Dodger lineup with Furcal and Ramirez and Blake and without Pierre and A. Jones and Berroa.

The Phils hit somewhat better at home and also pitched better at home so the home field wasn't an advantage due to the bats alone.

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Postby ReadingPhilly » Fri Oct 10, 2008 15:39:15

eisenreich to throw out the first pitch today, after the phils declined obama's request to do so

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