Manny will be a Phillies (version 3.11)

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:07:36

RAMIREZ TO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is what I would be saying right now if Pat Gillick would ever wake up.

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:08:50

kenrosenthal wrote:
"Nobody has called me from Boston, and neither has my agent [Scott Boras]," Ramírez told ESPNdeportes.com. "The only thing I know of a possible trade is what I've seen in ESPN."

Some commentary from Olney, on ESPN: "If he's not traded by 4 p.m. today, there's a 1 percent chance that he finishes the year with the Red Sox. This has gotten so ugly,"

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/r ... _morn.html

If this is really true, offer them Werth and a prospect and get it done.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:08:52

We got him!@!!!

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:09:16

FTN wrote:We got him!@!!!

Sadaam!!!

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:10:49

what happens if wed really get him?

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:11:19

FTN wrote:what happens if wed really get him?

rejoicing, beer, strippers

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:11:55

Trent Steele wrote:
FTN wrote:what happens if wed really get him?

rejoicing, beer, strippers

by **Barry Jive** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:12:33

mozartpc27 wrote:
Trent Steele wrote:
FTN wrote:what happens if wed really get him?

rejoicing, beer, strippers

blow's on PtK

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:12:51

I'm headed over to Starbucks. Call me if we get him while I'm gone.

by **swishnicholson** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:13:32

FTN wrote:what happens if wed really get him?

Strained bicep, first pitch he sees, out for the year.

My FG articles · by **MattS** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:13:54

just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:15:44

MattS wrote:just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

Basically, players on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers in August before they are traded. A PTBNL can't be a player on the 40 man, I don't believe. So, if Ramirez were to be traded in August, say for Hermida, both guys would have to clear.

Waiver order is determined by record, worst to first, and then by league. The 13 other AL teams would be 1-13, then the NL teams would be 14-29 based on record.

My FG articles · by **MattS** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:17:27

FTN wrote:
MattS wrote:just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

Basically, players on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers in August before they are traded. A PTBNL can't be a player on the 40 man, I don't believe. So, if Ramirez were to be traded in August, say for Hermida, both guys would have to clear.

Waiver order is determined by record, worst to first, and then by league. The 13 other AL teams would be 1-13, then the NL teams would be 14-29 based on record.

so it would get blocked for sure, then, yes? i know teams don't block stuff as much, but i have to imagine the phillies and mets would both claim hermida to block it?

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:17:38

FTN wrote:
MattS wrote:just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

Basically, players on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers in August before they are traded. A PTBNL can't be a player on the 40 man, I don't believe. So, if Ramirez were to be traded in August, say for Hermida, both guys would have to clear.

Waiver order is determined by record, worst to first, and then by league. The 13 other AL teams would be 1-13, then the NL teams would be 14-29 based on record.

Cool, we're in 18th place.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:19:29

MattS wrote:
FTN wrote:
MattS wrote:just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

Basically, players on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers in August before they are traded. A PTBNL can't be a player on the 40 man, I don't believe. So, if Ramirez were to be traded in August, say for Hermida, both guys would have to clear.

Waiver order is determined by record, worst to first, and then by league. The 13 other AL teams would be 1-13, then the NL teams would be 14-29 based on record.

so it would get blocked for sure, then, yes? i know teams don't block stuff as much, but i have to imagine the phillies and mets would both claim hermida to block it?

of course.

everyone basically gets placed on waivers in August. When a guy is claimed that you want to keep, you pull him back. If you dont pull him back, you lose him. If the Marlins waived Hermida to try and sneak him through and the Phillies claim him, the Marlins will pull him back. Once you are claimed and pulled back, you can't be waived again for x number of days I think, but I don't remember what it is

My FG articles · by **MattS** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:21:05

FTN wrote:
MattS wrote:
FTN wrote:
MattS wrote:just to make sure i have something right. if they do not deal him by 4pm today, he won't pass the waiver phase because someone else would claim him, correct? or do the marlins have some kind of position with waivers that this could still get done? or do the red sox have such a bad position with waivers that the mets and phillies could claim hermida or whoever and block the trade? i just want to make sure this is dead if it doesn't happen in the next 2 hrs 47 min.

Basically, players on the 40 man roster have to clear waivers in August before they are traded. A PTBNL can't be a player on the 40 man, I don't believe. So, if Ramirez were to be traded in August, say for Hermida, both guys would have to clear.

Waiver order is determined by record, worst to first, and then by league. The 13 other AL teams would be 1-13, then the NL teams would be 14-29 based on record.

so it would get blocked for sure, then, yes? i know teams don't block stuff as much, but i have to imagine the phillies and mets would both claim hermida to block it?

of course.

everyone basically gets placed on waivers in August. When a guy is claimed that you want to keep, you pull him back. If you dont pull him back, you lose him. If the Marlins waived Hermida to try and sneak him through and the Phillies claim him, the Marlins will pull him back. Once you are claimed and pulled back, you can't be waived again for x number of days I think, but I don't remember what it is

okay. i feel like i heard once that people could only be put on waivers once in august or something? it was something about the braves putting everyone on waivers periodically throughout august so no one knew what they were trying to do. i can't remember exactly.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:28:56

Right. The current waiver period was like sometime in April till July 31. After that, waivers reset and you have to "clear" again before you can be sent to the minors or traded. The Phillies will waive Howard, Utley, Hamels, etc etc, they basically waive everyone, and when they do, they'll probably also waive guys like Golson who they might actually want to trade. The hope is, you send through a bunch of guys you have no intention of letting go and then you throw in guys youd like to move at the same time, hoping to throw everyone off. Its like a trojan horse, without the horse

by **kenrosenthal** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:38:01

Blame game over Manny

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Jayson Stark
Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them.

by **FTN** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:38:40

FTN wrote:We got him!@!!!

by **Trent Steele** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 13:38:43

kenrosenthal wrote:
Blame game over Manny

Thursday, July 31, 2008 | Print Entry

Posted by Jayson Stark
Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren't too happy with either of them.

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