I wouldn't even thing twice about it. Manny is not that much worse of a fielder than Holiday and everyone was ready to do that deal (don't give me the fielding stats because they are irrelevant for Bos. LF). Manny will cost more money but less in prospects. Why wouldnt you do that deal?

JFLNYC wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Would you trade them Burrell for Manny and Bucholtz?

No. Burrell's better and Buckholz has lost faith in his fastball.

Burrell with a career OPS of .860, and manny with a career OPS of .999

Burrell's a lot better, you're right.

Wow. Burrell and Manny in the same outfield. In the Dewan plus/minus ratings, Manny has ranked 30th and 29th in MLB amongst left fielders the last two seasons and is 30th this year at - 16. Burrell has been 29th, 31st and is 26th this season. What's Garry Maddox doing?

FTN wrote:Trading Burrell for Manny is a lateral move and won't happen.

I wouldn't want to do this deal if it were for Burrell. I agree with you and I'm sure the Phillies brass do as well

JDS wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Would you trade them Burrell for Manny and Bucholtz?

No. Burrell's better and Buckholz has lost faith in his fastball.

Burrell with a career OPS of .860, and manny with a career OPS of .999

Burrell's a lot better, you're right.

Right, because career numbers mean everything when you're comparing a 36 year-old to a 31 year-old.

Seriously, there are a lot of Phillies sites out there where you'd fit in much better than you do here. And you'd leave with pretty much everyone's best wishes.

The Burrell stuff is just made up and isnt the issue.


The issue is that if Manny is really available, the failure to get him is another indictment of the cheap mother fuckers that run this team

JDS wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Would you trade them Burrell for Manny and Bucholtz?

No. Burrell's better and Buckholz has lost faith in his fastball.

Burrell with a career OPS of .860, and manny with a career OPS of .999

Burrell's a lot better, you're right.

We're talking about a half-year rental, smart guy -- this year. Burrell's OPS+ is 151, Manny's is 140.

dajafi wrote:

JDS wrote:

JFLNYC wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:Would you trade them Burrell for Manny and Bucholtz?

No. Burrell's better and Buckholz has lost faith in his fastball.

Burrell with a career OPS of .860, and manny with a career OPS of .999

Burrell's a lot better, you're right.

Right, because career numbers mean everything when you're comparing a 36 year-old to a 31 year-old.

Seriously, there are a lot of Phillies sites out there where you'd fit in much better than you do here. And you'd leave with pretty much everyone's best wishes.

Right, and going off one year for Burrell makes a ton of senseDisregarding that his career OPS is 139 points better than Burrell is just stupid. I don't care if he's 5 years older, he's not slowing up much. Also, Burrell's numbers will revert back to his statistical mean next year.

I can't help being right about certain things. If you people don't see that manny ramirez is a better player than Burrell, there's nothing I can do.

Manny's 2008 line: .298/.398/.524
Normalized for CBP: .311/.413/.548

That'll play

Manny's career at CBP: .212/.229/.485

Christ on his throne!

FTN wrote:Manny's career at CBP: .212/.229/.485

Oh. Well, forget it then.

I'm not sure you get the draft picks. You'd have to offer arbitration off a 20M salary and I'm not sure Manny turns a guarantee of 22-25M in arbitration down.

lethal wrote:I'm not sure you get the draft picks. You'd have to offer arbitration off a 20M salary and I'm not sure Manny turns a guarantee of 22-25M in arbitration down.

Yeah thats worth thinking about. But I don't think Manny wants a 1 year deal at this point.

FTN wrote:

lethal wrote:I'm not sure you get the draft picks. You'd have to offer arbitration off a 20M salary and I'm not sure Manny turns a guarantee of 22-25M in arbitration down.

Yeah thats worth thinking about. But I don't think Manny wants a 1 year deal at this point.

I agree, he doesn't want a 1 year deal, but as a FA on the open market as a 36 year old DH/OF, what's his realistic market value? 3 years 18 mil per (54M)? Maybe less? Maybe just 2 years? If he takes arbitration, he gets half of that in one year and is a FA again in a year. It would at least make him stop and think. Bonds accepted arbitration from the Giants a few years back for that same reason.

Different question -- would this Phillies management even do it? Make it happen? Capable of making it happen or desiring it to happen? Why discuss a deal we all know will never come about?

Philly the Kid wrote:Different question -- would this Phillies management even do it? Make it happen? Capable of making it happen or desiring it to happen? Why discuss a deal we all know will never come about?

Trying to get to a 100-page thread?

The Mets will do it. Phillies won't.

What about Brett Myers for Manny? Helps offset some salary, Red Sox get Myers under contract next year cost controlled. If they straighten him out, could be a solid pitcher for them.