philliesphhan wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:
I'm feeling pretty much the way way

come again?

are you serious

WTF....I did a Google image search on "Dwayne hey" (the "hey hey hey" guy from "What's Happening?") and it returned Chyna's cl*t

BigEd76 wrote:WTF....I did a Google image search on "Dwayne hey" (the "hey hey hey" guy from "What's Happening?") and it returned Chyna's cl*t

Both have huge wangs?

or Chyna's real name is Dwayne?

BigEd76 wrote:WTF....I did a Google image search on "Dwayne hey" (the "hey hey hey" guy from "What's Happening?") and it returned Chyna's cl*t

My previous supervisor dated Haywood Nelson (the guy who played Dwayne) during the time that show was on the air. She said he was a nice kid. I love What's Happening!!. Awesome show. One of my favorites of the 1970s.

I wrote a comparison of What's Happening!! vs. The Beverly Hillbillies. Needless to say, I determined that What's Happening!! was the better program.

philliesphhan wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:
I'm feeling pretty much the way way

come again?

I meant to say "same way." :?

Woody wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:
I'm feeling pretty much the way way

come again?

are you serious

i'm sorry i interrupted class
it won't happen again

Monkeyboy wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:
I'm feeling pretty much the way way

come again?

I meant to say "same way." :?

ah, i honestly wasn't sure what you meant as i was reading it late at night

Peter King spoke his mind in his weekly Monday Morning QB article...

Peter King wrote:c. I see the New York Post called one of baseball's truly nice guys, Brad Lidge, an "elite closer'' after his trade from Houston to Philadelphia. Well, half of that statement is correct. He's a closer, all right. In 2007, 32 pitchers, including Lidge, saved at least 15 games. Lidge's .704 save percentage was the worst of the 32.

SI pays Peter King to write about baseball now too?

ah yes, we forgot all about Lidge's "save percentage"

Brad Lidge's 2nd blown save last year:

*6th* inning, 1-0 Astros lead, they pull the starter, and it goes from there:

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                  Rick White replaces Jason Jennings pitching and batting 9th
          ---  3  N Hopper        Double to LF (Ground Ball)
          -2-  1  S Hatteberg     Single to CF (Line Drive); Hopper to 3B
                  Trever Miller replaces Rick White pitching and batting 9th
          1-3  7  K Griffey       Walk; Hatteberg to 2B
                  Brad Lidge replaces Trever Miller pitching and batting 9th
   O      123  6  B Phillips      Strikeout Swinging
   RO     123  2  A Dunn          Flyball: CF/Sacrifice Fly; Hopper Scores; Hatteberg to 3B; Griffey to 2B
   O      -23  4  E Encarnacion   Foul Flyball: RF (RF Foul)


So, he enters a 1-run game in the 6th, bases loaded, no one out, gets a K, a fly out, and and a foul out, and a blown save. Nice stat.

yeah after browsing his gamelogs last year, I noticed he had a couple of blown saves that weren't even at the end of the game

check that, no he didn't, but he did enter the game somewhat randomly last year

Jason Jennings, Rick White and Trever Miller are all free agents if we want to duplicate that

Shore wrote:Brad Lidge's 2nd blown save last year:

*6th* inning, 1-0 Astros lead, they pull the starter, and it goes from there:

Code: Select all

                  Rick White replaces Jason Jennings pitching and batting 9th
          ---  3  N Hopper        Double to LF (Ground Ball)
          -2-  1  S Hatteberg     Single to CF (Line Drive); Hopper to 3B
                  Trever Miller replaces Rick White pitching and batting 9th
          1-3  7  K Griffey       Walk; Hatteberg to 2B
                  Brad Lidge replaces Trever Miller pitching and batting 9th
   O      123  6  B Phillips      Strikeout Swinging
   RO     123  2  A Dunn          Flyball: CF/Sacrifice Fly; Hopper Scores; Hatteberg to 3B; Griffey to 2B
   O      -23  4  E Encarnacion   Foul Flyball: RF (RF Foul)


So, he enters a 1-run game in the 6th, bases loaded, no one out, gets a K, a fly out, and and a foul out, and a blown save. Nice stat.

I agree that's hardly a blown save, but you seem to be implying that all of Lidge's blown saves were like that. In fact that was the only one where he didn't enter the game to start an inning and entered before the 9th. In the other seven games he entered the game with no one on and needing three outs to get a save and left the game with his trailing or tied. I didn't even find a situation where another reliever let in a run to blow a Lidge save.

The most complimentary thing I can say for Lidge's blown saves is that he left the game tied five times in seven, so his team had a chance to win. I'm not saying that blown saves carry over from one year to the next, but I think his blown saves were significant to his performance in 2007.

I think he was commenting on how dumb of a stat a save is. At least that's what I assume.

philliesphhan wrote:I think he was commenting on how dumb of a stat a save is. At least that's what I assume.

Oh. Yeah. It can be stupid. It really should only apply to the ninth inning or the final inning of extras.

Laexile wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:I think he was commenting on how dumb of a stat a save is. At least that's what I assume.

Oh. Yeah. It can be stupid. It really should only apply to the ninth inning or the final inning of extras.

It's always stupid. It's based on a largely arbitrary set of parameters. Most troubling, the "stat" itself has dictated player usage, which is absolutely tragic.

Bakestar wrote:

Laexile wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:I think he was commenting on how dumb of a stat a save is. At least that's what I assume.

Oh. Yeah. It can be stupid. It really should only apply to the ninth inning or the final inning of extras.

It's always stupid. It's based on a largely arbitrary set of parameters. Most troubling, the "stat" itself has dictated player usage, which is absolutely tragic.

much like the save itself

Bakestar wrote:

Laexile wrote:

philliesphhan wrote:I think he was commenting on how dumb of a stat a save is. At least that's what I assume.

Oh. Yeah. It can be stupid. It really should only apply to the ninth inning or the final inning of extras.

It's always stupid. It's based on a largely arbitrary set of parameters. Most troubling, the "stat" itself has dictated player usage, which is absolutely tragic.

It's based on set parameters. Those are outlined in the rules. While those parameters were determined in a way you think is arbitrary, much of baseball is arbitrary. A ball hit foul could be a home run if it was a foot to the right. But it isn't because someone arbitrarily drew the angle of the base line. Or decided the bases should be 90 feet apart. Fence distances and foul territory are even more arbitrary. They vary from stadium to stadium with only a minimal guideline applied. Monty can decide he wants to move the fences out tomorrow on a whim. The save stat doesn't change so easily.

If a save were only applied to the ninth inning it would be important. The reliever who pitches last with a lead throws the most important inning. If he is successful the team ends up with a win. No other pitcher can say that. And a win is the team's only goal in playing.

Lidge entered those seven games needing three outs. In five of them he had a one run lead. In two he had a two run lead. The Astros went 3-4 in those games. That's four games lost that would have been won if he pitched well. With other pitchers who pitch poorly we can only say that the team might have won had they pitched well. In almost every other situation someone else can save the game after someone messes up. If the team is on the road there often isn't that opportunity.

Bill James theorized in the 80's that pitchers who could close weren't rare. He was right. Somehow that's become applied to the idea that saves aren't that big of a deal.