PHILLIES GOT BRAD LIDGE!!!!!

by **CFP** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 17:20:53

Ah damn it, I was hoping Scott Palmer would do some stand-up

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 17:26:00

1 wrote:
philliesphhan wrote:these questions are so boring
might as well ask him his favorite sandwich or "do you like cheesesteaks?!? LOL"

What exactly did you want from a press conference in November?

I actually would have preferred they asked my question. Talked too much about his "struggles" Way to make him talk about the worst part of his career after he's been here three seconds

by **Woody** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 17:47:50

Where does he stand on bringing the troops home? Does he believe in evolution? What about a woman's right to infanticide*?

*Thanks for the new vocab term, Vox!

by **philliesphhan** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 18:00:39

Lidge to be on DNL as well.

haha his hair is funny

asking him what happened to the phillies vs the rockies.....k

by **phuturephillies** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:03:05

by **phuturephillies** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:29:56

1 wrote:hate it

this is seriously like a playstation trade

:roll:

by **philliesphhan** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:38:24

phuturephillies wrote:
1 wrote:hate it

this is seriously like a playstation trade

:roll:

I thought by that he meant it was so one-sided in our favor.

by **phuturephillies** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:44:15

Disco Stu wrote:Let's not overexagerate things here. This does not improve our bullpen. It is a sidestep at best. It does, however, significantly improve our starting rotation. I like the move, but it is worrisome on one level. We have no more at least slightly valuable high minors hitters left. Bourn and Costanzo were the last two above A (for the most part) and both are now gone. While they wouldn't have helped us, it would have been nicer to use them in separate deals.

I have 5 arms in my bullpen right now.

CL- Lidge
R- Gordon
R- Madson
R- Mathieson
L- Happ

That is how you start to make a good bullpen. If we can get Romero for no more than 2.5 a year (ugh, I think that is way too much), that adds a second lefty and gives us a solid 6.

by **philliesphhan** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:51:03

bleh wrote:"Lidge will be a free agent after the 2008 season"

Sorry, this trade sucks.

Laexile wrote:I'm glad some of you like this trade, because I don't. Brad Lidge makes me uncomfortable.

and still, my favorite positive post:

Shore wrote:I love this.

We traded, essentially, nothing.

by **phuturephillies** » Thu May 08, 2008 01:52:55

Shore is a pillar of light in an otherwise dark and cloudy sky

by **LongDrive** » Thu May 08, 2008 07:28:48

Disco Stu wrote:Lidge is a solid pickup and the more I think about it, the happier I am. Gillick with a good move.

by **LongDrive** » Thu May 08, 2008 07:29:43

LongDrive wrote:Excellent! Lidge has struggled a bit the last couple of years, but if he can get back to form, this improves the team a lot. Good move Pat!

8)

by **phatj** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:36:01

The Eeming Tree wrote:Bruntlett looks like he can at the very least draw a walk or two, and he has better speed than Nunez.

by **Trent Steele** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:41:01

Trent Steele wrote:I'm surprised at the tepid response to this trade by some posters. There were 3 things that scared the hell out of me going into 2008:

1.) Brett Myers closing while the Phillies have a rotation of Hamels/Eaton/Moyer/Kendrick/Slop.

2.) 800 AB for Bourn and Victorino

3.) 250 more AB for Abe Nunez, the worst hitter in Phillies history

Gillick fixed all three in one sweep. The trade also forces Gillick's hand to one of 3 things in the remainder of the offseason.

1.) Sign a 3B (and platoon Dobbs with Werth)

2.) Sign a LHB platoon partner for Werth in RF (i.e. Jenkins).

3.) Re-sign Rowand.

I'd rather 1 or 2.

What is not to like about this trade?

Bourn is a substantial net negative to this team if he is starting in RF or even platooning. Either Victorino or Bourn had to be traded or the offense would suffer greatly.

Costanzo will never be a starting 3B in the ML. He was already playing the OF in the AFL, and his bat is nowhere near sufficient to hold down an everyday corner OF spot.

Is Lidge better than Myers? Probably not, but who cares. Myers HR rate was unsustainable in light of his FB% and the park he pitches in, so I don't expect much difference between the two in 2008 as closers. Myers to the rotation is heaven sent.

In terms of depleting the farm system, I'd say what farm system. The drafts from 2003 to 2005 were horrific. These are the players that should be filtering into the ML now. Fortunately, the Phillies don't need them right now. 1B, 2B, SS, CF, and the top 2 spots in the rotation are locked up for the next 3-5 years barring injury. Come 2012 or so, those players will be on the severe downside and it will be time to retool. Bourn (25)and Costanzo (24) would only be marginally helpful to that effort.

If I'm the Phillies management, I'm focused on rebuilding the farm for 2012 and beyond. Trading for a Lidge and letting him walk will get you 2 draft picks (Lidge is a solid Type A this year), as will Burrell, in 2008.

Trent Steele seal of approval. Although I guess I can't complain about Jenkies, eh?

by **phatj** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:45:32

phatj wrote:
Wizlah wrote:I just don't think it was a good argument either way. Regardless of whether we need to acquire a closer because that's the only way to get myers in the rotation, or whether we're moving myers to the rotation just because that's where he's most use to us . . . We still need to acquire a closer. It's kind've a moot point.

I don't think it's moot when evaluating the trade.

I think it's fallacious to say the trade was Bourn, Costanzo and Geary for Lidge, Bruntlett and 150 more innings of Myers. You can't include Myers, since he could (and should) have been moved back to the rotation regardless.

Bruntlett and Geary to me are basically replacement-level, so this trade is it's a major-league ready 4th OF and a so-so 3B prospect with some upside for a good but not great reliever who's only signed for one year.

I think it's an OK deal, but it's not great.

I don't remember being quite this tepid. I guess a buncha innings of 0.00 ERA can modify one's memory.

I think I might have been a little hasty calling Lidge "good but not great."

by **Trent Steele** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:51:16

Last night, Costanzo (.225 BA; sub .660 OPS) went 0-4 against Matt Maloney (6.29 ERA). Good times.

by **philliesr98** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:52:28

philliesr98 wrote:I root for Costanzo, but I have a feeling his percieved value will never be higher in his career than this offseason..... I like this trade....

Goodbye Geary....

I will miss that little speedster though... Hopefully Lidge can K just as many people as last year and keep the ball down....

and looking back, i dont have a single michael costanzo card, it was a joke! :-D

by **Grotewold** » Thu May 08, 2008 08:56:51

Can and will we re-sign this guy

by **JFLNYC** » Thu May 08, 2008 09:10:14

JFLNYC wrote:We gave up nothing. Bourn projects as a .700 OPS (maybe .750 in a good year), [Ed. note: Bourn currently at .582] Geary is AAAA fungible and Costanzo only seems to hit well in the second half of minor league seasons -- after all the quality pitchers have been promoted. Lidge allows Myers to go back to the rotation and the former's short contract is a plus, not a minus. We didn't have to overbid for Francisco Codero.

One of Wade's best trades ever -- for the Phillies!

by 1 » Thu May 08, 2008 10:13:35

phuturephillies wrote:
1 wrote:hate it

this is seriously like a playstation trade

:roll:

yeah, good point.

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