Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:15:13


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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby azrider » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:27:55


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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Sep 22, 2020 13:14:09

not that Rs are unaware of this but the "senate and president are the same party" argument is so laughable. If people wanted a democratic senate they would have voted for one in 2018! It does not acknowledge that the whole country is not voting for a new senate every two years. voters did overwhelmingly choose the other chamber and gave them a large majority, however. so no, americans in whole do not want you to be in power you fuckers.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby azrider » Tue Sep 22, 2020 13:24:21

settle down there cballs.... the democrats will have a supermajority in the united states, both nationally and in a majority of the states in 8-12 years. honestly, what makes the supreme court seat so bad is that it will interrupt any kind of optimal one party rule and give the republicans/conservatives a bit of a lifeline.

az might not go blue for the president but it'll turn purple than bright blue. the mountain states will soon fall like dominos.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Sep 22, 2020 13:32:01

I was going to post snippets from this "opinion" piece but decided to just post the whole thing. This is what Biden and Dems are up against - Trumpsters are completely blind to the actual facts of this presidency. As we have discussed many times, it is easier to fit a camel through the eye of a needle than change a Trumpsters' mind or even make them see facts and circumstances as they actually are.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby The Savior » Tue Sep 22, 2020 13:41:51

Biden needs to tie Trump to McConnell, who is universally hated. That and tying this SCJ to abortion rights. Should be enough to hang onto and add to his totals in PA.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby azrider » Tue Sep 22, 2020 13:52:36

the truest gauge of voter sentiment is the pickup truck vs prius and pre2000 foreign economy car. how many of those trucks do you see with a trump or flag sticker? now how many of those prius's took off their hillary and obama stickers and put a biden one on? same thing with those pre 2000 cars. how many have replaced their bernie sticker with a biden? go out to the burbs... it's not memorial day or the 4th of july, who's flying flags? it's like the 4th july here in az.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby lethal » Tue Sep 22, 2020 14:01:37

06hawkalum wrote:
lethal wrote:
JUburton wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:POLITICO
@politico
BREAKING: Romney sides with McConnell on SCOTUS, giving Trump all the votes he needs to fill RBG's seat


Shocker, Romney is an empty suit.
dude is obviously going to shoot his shot on getting roe overturned.


Romney hates Trump personally, but he probably hates abortion and affirmative action more. Maybe he'd vote to keep Obamacare becasue its based on his own ideas. I never had much hope that he'd not side with McConnell on this.

Personally, Supreme Court justices was my number one issue in 2016 (you can tie all sorts of things into a court majority, health care, voting rights, affitmative action, abortion, political contributions/dark money, immigration, criminal justice reform, gun control, antitrust and monopolies) and I didn't think Hillary emphasized it enough. Maybe Clinton herself didn't garner sufficient enthusiasm from some sectors who may have decided that if not Sanders, then there was no difference between Trump and Clinton, but getting them to understand that a favorable court composition could get them progressive friendly decisions for the next 30 years (Thomas has been on the Court for 29 years).

I wonder how long Mitch would've been able to keep any seats open or who Clinton would've nominated that could get 50 votes (and you assume Sessions is still in the Senate under that scenario, so no Jones).

Also, if Turmp fills this seat, he can save himself from criminal prosecution and releasing his financial documents/tax returns, so he has personal incentive to fill this before he's out of office.

Just a disaster all around that's going to have repercussions for half a century or at least the entire rest of my lifetime.

The next President probably gets Breyer's replacement (hopefully certainly if Biden wins and Ds control the Senate). Thomas and Alito are the next oldest, but they may be able to go another 10-15 years. Its going to be 6-3, maybe even 7-2 for a very, very long time.


It could also be 5-4 liberal in 10 years so the half century prediction will hopefully end up being hyperbole. I think the Supreme Court ruling against policies the majority of Americans are accustomed to and support will ultimately be a disaster for the GOP. Americans won't put up with minority rule for long.

Mitch doesn't care because he knows he will be dead by the time shit hits the fan.


The last liberal majority on the Supreme Court was...either 1991 before Thurgood Marshall passed and was replaced by Clarence Thomas or 1990 before Brennen retired and was replaced by Souter (who was pretty conservative until about 1992). Imagine the rulings if Souter didn't turn out to be a liberal and Bush had nominated an actual conservative.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Augustus » Tue Sep 22, 2020 14:14:38

Another story people overlook is the "liberal wing" of the court slouching to the center. Marshall, John Paul Stevens, William O. Douglas, etc. were to the left of Ginsburg and the three other liberals currently on the court
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Sep 22, 2020 14:27:09

Augustus wrote:Another story people overlook is the "liberal wing" of the court slouching to the center. Marshall, John Paul Stevens, William O. Douglas, etc. were to the left of Ginsburg and the three other liberals currently on the court
Really only Douglas was faaaaarr left (according to Martin-Quinn). Ginsburg/Sotomayor averaged to a Breyer with Kagan/Breyer a little more to the center. Fortunately Gorsuch/Kavanaugh/Roberts are only...barely right at the moment. I can expect Trump's next justice to be more Alito like. Thomas is in a class almost by himself and it's a bit insane he's a supreme court justice! (*super small font* and that joe biden helped the cause). 11 democrats voted yes! mostly southern democrats which dont exist anymore but what a world.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Tue Sep 22, 2020 15:07:48

Squire wrote:Although I sincerely wish Romney had come out on the other side of this, asking him to not support a vote on a Supreme Court justice that he would otherwise support because of a position taken by the Senate of which he wasn't a part of, when those very same Senators who took the position are weaseling out of it doesn't seem realistic. Asking him to personally right all of the malfeasance and treachery of McConnell seems like a long shot. That being said, this whole thing seems like a dumb political move which may end up flipping the Senate. The Dems would be perfectly justified in eliminating the filibuster and packing the court. The Republicans have shown that they don't care about fairness in the least.



I agree with all of this except the part where the dems have the organization and fortitude to get all their people to vote for either one of these given how controversial they are. I think we need a few extra senators to pull it off because then a few in reddish states can avoid the controversy. Maybe 52 or 53 would do it.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby azrider » Tue Sep 22, 2020 15:29:56

democratic party may not have a great game day coach, but an excellent farm/developmental system. they're got such a solid base that's built for both the immediate future and a generation down the line. really an exceptional job.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 16:42:04

Got our ballots in the mail today
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Tue Sep 22, 2020 18:16:46

Cindy McCain is endorsing Biden.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Tue Sep 22, 2020 19:22:27

Big explosion of Biden signs in the swarthmore media area today
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby jamiethekiller » Tue Sep 22, 2020 19:25:22

Cal out there doing the lord's work

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby philliesphhan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 19:37:20

CalvinBall wrote:not that Rs are unaware of this but the "senate and president are the same party" argument is so laughable. If people wanted a democratic senate they would have voted for one in 2018! It does not acknowledge that the whole country is not voting for a new senate every two years. voters did overwhelmingly choose the other chamber and gave them a large majority, however. so no, americans in whole do not want you to be in power you fuckers.


It's also very much NOT the argument they made against Garland. It was "the people should decide when they pick the next president". Several of them even said if Hillary wins, they still don't want to it decided yet.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby philliesphhan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 19:37:30

Squire wrote:Although I sincerely wish Romney had come out on the other side of this, asking him to not support a vote on a Supreme Court justice that he would otherwise support because of a position taken by the Senate of which he wasn't a part of, when those very same Senators who took the position are weaseling out of it doesn't seem realistic. Asking him to personally right all of the malfeasance and treachery of McConnell seems like a long shot. That being said, this whole thing seems like a dumb political move which may end up flipping the Senate. The Dems would be perfectly justified in eliminating the filibuster and packing the court. The Republicans have shown that they don't care about fairness in the least.


A leader would do it. You know, that thing he asked to be 8 years ago, and probably expects to run for again.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Tue Sep 22, 2020 19:43:45

So the PA Supreme Court has ruled that naked mail in ballots (those without secrecy envelopes) are invalid. Estimates are that 100,000 mail in ballots could be tossed out.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 20:00:08

JFLNYC wrote:So the PA Supreme Court has ruled that naked mail in ballots (those without secrecy envelopes) are invalid. Estimates are that 100,000 mail in ballots could be tossed out.


Saw that,absolutely amazing.
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