Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:05:21

Uncle Milty wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:I will get slammed for this, but of all the appalling things Trump has said and done, the "one day the virus will just disappear" remark is low on my list. He's not exactly entirely wrong, for one thing: when viruses peter out, it tends to happen fast. It just comes across to me as an off-the-cuff remark from a science laymen, which he is.

Granted, the President should not make off-the-cuff unthought out remarks about something as serious as coronavirus, and that betrays his fundamental lack of empathy, but I don't find the remark to be in and of itself as ridiculous as people make it seem.


It's not the comment but the intention and the actions behind it.


Well, and the attaching of the specific date to it. Especially if you want to believe the book excerpts just posted that he was being provided, and actually paying attention to, information about the true seriousness and possible progress of the disease, the vast majority of which were more severe and all of which to this point were very uncertain. I mean, Presidents shouldn't really spout off and make of-the-cuff remarks anyway, since there's always people who will believe them. But if he felt compelled to do so, then simply add "we don't know when-could be months from now." I think it's a very important comment, in tandem with his initial push to open things up by Easter. Both are either willfully misleading or boneheadedly stupid, and sadly many people did and continue to take what he says seriously.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:06:59

JUburton wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:

please leave this stuff to facebook


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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:22:20

Got a new whistleblower complaint today!

Washington (CNN) - A whistleblower is alleging that top political appointees in the Department of Homeland Security repeatedly instructed career officials to modify intelligence assessments to ensure they matched up with misleading public comments from President Donald Trump about Antifa and "anarchist" groups, according to documents reviewed by CNN and a source familiar with the situation.

Specifically, acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf and Acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Ken Cuccinelli, both Trump appointees, directed officials to change intelligence assessments based on Trump's political rhetoric, an order the whistleblower says amounted to an abuse of authority, according to the documents.

Both Wolf and Cuccinelli also tried to alter a report to downplay the threat posed by White supremacists and instead emphasize the role of leftist groups due to concerns about how the initial language would reflect on the President, according to a source familiar with the claims raised by the whistleblower.

DHS did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment regarding allegations that Wolf and Cuccinelli ordered officials to change intelligence assessments for political reasons but have broadly denied either man took actions that constitute as an abuse of power, as stated in the complaint.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:40:11

A senior Department of Homeland Security official alleges that he was told to stop providing intelligence analysis on the threat of Russian interference in the 2020 elections, in part because it “made the President look bad,” an instruction he believed would jeopardize national security.

The official, Brian Murphy, who until recently was in charge of intelligence and analysis at DHS, said in a whistleblower complaint that on two occasions he was told to stand down on reporting about the Russian threat.

On July 8, Wolf said that acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf told him that an “intelligence notification” regarding Russian disinformation efforts should be “held” because it was unflattering to Trump, who has long derided Russian interference as a “hoax” that was concocted by his opponents to delegitimize his victory in 2016.

It’s not clear who would have seen the notification, but DHS’s intelligence reports are routinely shared with the FBI, other federal law enforcement agencies and state and local governments.

Murphy objected to Wolf’s instruction, “stating that it was improper to hold a vetted intelligence product for reasons [of] political embarrassment,” according to a copy of his whistleblower complaint that was obtained by The Washington Post.

Murphy also alleges that two months earlier, Wolf told him to stop producing intelligence assessments on Russia and shift the focus on election interference to China and Iran. He said Wolf told him “that these instructions specifically originated from White House National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien.”

Murphy said that he would not comply with the instructions, which he believed would “put the country in substantial and specific danger,” according to the complaint, which was filed Tuesday with the DHS inspector general.



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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby heyeaglefn » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:49:21

06hawkalum wrote:The stock market is on the verge of a correction and the AstraZeneca vaccine trial has been halted. Bad news for America in the short-term but possibly good news long-term since these developments will likely negatively affect Trump’s re-election chances.

And the DOW is up over 2% today. I've been saying it for a while but the Democrats should not mention the market at all and they shouldn't need it to win this election.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby The Savior » Wed Sep 09, 2020 14:57:37

heyeaglefn wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:The stock market is on the verge of a correction and the AstraZeneca vaccine trial has been halted. Bad news for America in the short-term but possibly good news long-term since these developments will likely negatively affect Trump’s re-election chances.

And the DOW is up over 2% today. I've been saying it for a while but the Democrats should not mention the market at all and they shouldn't need it to win this election.


The AZ vaccine is far more problematic than the markets for Trump. And I think the Dems understand that crystal clear.

Reality is starting to set in I think on COVID. Schools now mostly back in virtual settings - jobs not immediately returning here in the fall - no stimulus forthcoming (at least not until we are closer to the election I imagine).

Trump hasn’t made enough ground up is my hope before what I also anticipate will be a reversal of certain folks here in the fall.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:13:07

The Savior wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:The stock market is on the verge of a correction and the AstraZeneca vaccine trial has been halted. Bad news for America in the short-term but possibly good news long-term since these developments will likely negatively affect Trump’s re-election chances.

And the DOW is up over 2% today. I've been saying it for a while but the Democrats should not mention the market at all and they shouldn't need it to win this election.


The AZ vaccine is far more problematic than the markets for Trump. And I think the Dems understand that crystal clear.

Reality is starting to set in I think on COVID. Schools now mostly back in virtual settings - jobs not immediately returning here in the fall - no stimulus forthcoming (at least not until we are closer to the election I imagine).

Trump hasn’t made enough ground up is my hope before what I also anticipate will be a reversal of certain folks here in the fall.


Yes, I don't think Trump is going to get the October Surprise he has all but promised the American public in recent months.

SAD!
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:28:02

A Trump administration appointee at the Department of Health and Human Services is trying to prevent Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, from speaking about the risks that coronavirus poses to children.

Emails obtained by POLITICO show Paul Alexander — a senior adviser to Michael Caputo, HHS’s assistant secretary for public affairs — instructing press officers and others at the National Institutes of Health about what Fauci should say during media interviews. The Trump adviser weighed in on Fauci’s planned responses to outlets including Bloomberg News, BuzzFeed, Huffington Post and the science journal Cell.

Alexander’s lengthy messages, some sent as recently as this week, are couched as scientific arguments. But they often contradict mainstream science while promoting political positions taken by the Trump administration on hot-button issues ranging from the use of convalescent plasma to school reopening.

The emails add to evidence that the White House, and Trump appointees within HHS, are pushing health agencies to promote a political message instead of a scientific one.

“I continue to have an issue with kids getting tested and repeatedly and even university students in a widespread manner…and I disagree with Dr. Fauci on this. Vehemently,” Alexander wrote in one Aug. 27 email, responding to a press-office summary of what Fauci intended to tell a Bloomberg reporter.

And on Tuesday, Alexander told Fauci’s press team that the scientist should not promote mask-wearing by children during an MSNBC interview.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/0 ... uci-410861

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:31:18

06hawkalum wrote:
The Savior wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
06hawkalum wrote:The stock market is on the verge of a correction and the AstraZeneca vaccine trial has been halted. Bad news for America in the short-term but possibly good news long-term since these developments will likely negatively affect Trump’s re-election chances.

And the DOW is up over 2% today. I've been saying it for a while but the Democrats should not mention the market at all and they shouldn't need it to win this election.


The AZ vaccine is far more problematic than the markets for Trump. And I think the Dems understand that crystal clear.

Reality is starting to set in I think on COVID. Schools now mostly back in virtual settings - jobs not immediately returning here in the fall - no stimulus forthcoming (at least not until we are closer to the election I imagine).

Trump hasn’t made enough ground up is my hope before what I also anticipate will be a reversal of certain folks here in the fall.


Yes, I don't think Trump is going to get the October Surprise he has all but promised the American public in recent months.

SAD!


It will come in the form of one or more indictments from Bill Barr, probably of Hunter Biden, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Barr tried to indict Joe, too.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Wed Sep 09, 2020 15:58:04

CalvinBall wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:Feels like telling maybe the most famous journalist in America, on tape, that you "wanted to always play it down...I still like playing it down" re: Coronavirus is not a 4d chess move

blood on his hands



Given that he just admitted it on tape, negligent homicide should be a possibility. There's probably some reason why the president can't be charged for it, but that's what it is.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby joe table » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:03:44

Tom cotton, Hawley and Ted Cruz on the Trump SCOTUS consideration list - jerseyhoya a comment please

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:24:18

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:24:41

The Three Stooges. Clearly you see why old Teddy cruise will to do anything that Trump says
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:28:09

momadance wrote:Image



And of course I guts Social Security as the program loses its funding source, and funding has to come out of the general fund which then impact everything else like infrastructure and public health and any other necessary program.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:35:15

So trumps campaign finance problems are related to the RNC being the piggy bank to pay lawyers for Trump and Trump cronies. I guess if you’ve been tracking this, it’s no surprise because he has spent tens of millions of dollars across as president see in this way defending himself and his family and his confidence, while bringing a windfall to the legal community.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:38:37

Caught John Kennedy saying that ‘these gotcha books don’t really interest’ him, and a new one will be out tomorrow. CNN explained that this is on the record, and he basically said he doesn’t care. He doesn’t think that the Trump administration ignored the virus. He doesn’t believe that any action taken would’ve saved any more or less lives. The dude an asshat

The host, and I don’t know who she is I’m blonde Woman, said she wasn’t gonna let him do this. His rejoined is that the Trump administration has been very responsiveTo the virus. What kind of Dirt does Russia have on this jackass.


He said he hadn’t heard it, so CNN played it for him. Then he said he wasn’t gonna come in because he doesn’t understand the context and he hasn’t read the transcript. They just freaking played it for him. Then he said that he was certainly OK with the idea that the president didn’t want the American people to panic. Someone basically had said that this is similar to not running the air tornado sirens While the storm is ripping towards the trailer park, because you know the people might get worried.

Awesomely she concluded the discussion by dumping him after pointing out that he is John Kennedy senator from Louisiana. He looked visibly pissed. Her name is Pamela some thing
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby joe table » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:39:32

thephan wrote:The Three Stooges. Clearly you see why old Teddy cruise will to do anything that Trump says


Despite not having judge experience Cruz is arguably qualified as a very experienced appellate litigator - the other two weren’t even SCOTUS clerks and cotton seems to have practiced law for less than a year - qualifications seem to be that they have a law degree and are young republicans

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby joe table » Wed Sep 09, 2020 16:47:02

Oh and all 3 also Federalist Society nerds - left out that “qualification” - Fed Soc types are consistently among the creepiest of a sea of law school weirdos year in and year out

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Wed Sep 09, 2020 17:12:43

joe table wrote:Oh and all 3 also Federalist Society nerds - left out that “qualification” - Fed Soc types are consistently among the creepiest of a sea of law school weirdos year in and year out


The Federalist Society gave him a list to work from. Seriously.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby joe table » Wed Sep 09, 2020 17:18:14

I know and am not surprised - they seem very powerful in the party, if you’ve met any of these types when they were actually joining this society in law school though, a special type of weird generally as they are passionate republicans/originalists/Scalia fan boys that are around
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Their budget did let them offer better free lunch options for students for events than other dumb student groups so maybe that was the draw

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