Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 17:55:23

CFP wrote:Trump's 4D chess on this is if Woodward had the quotes for this long, he would have shared them if there was actually a danger to the American people. So the pandemic is Woodward's fault it appears.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby swishnicholson » Thu Sep 10, 2020 18:02:42

Monkeyboy wrote:
CFP wrote:Trump's 4D chess on this is if Woodward had the quotes for this long, he would have shared them if there was actually a danger to the American people. So the pandemic is Woodward's fault it appears.

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A lot of people are jumping on Woodward for this very reason (which I'm sure is where Trump or his handlers got the idea to do so) and I think it's nuts. If you didn't realize Trump was downplaying the pandemic for political reasons in February and beyond then God help you. It's simply not new news. The only difference now is it's on the record.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Thu Sep 10, 2020 18:13:59

Trump completely stole it from a far left talking point on Twitter yesterday and today.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 10, 2020 18:27:58

Poll with Biden up barely in ME2 which could play a big role in a close election.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 19:02:51

If Biden doesn't win ME-2, it would close a few of the more likely paths to victory, including the ones I mentioned in my prediction earlier. That's much worse election news than you might think could ever come out of Maine.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 10, 2020 19:37:11

Monkeyboy wrote:If Biden doesn't win ME-2, it would close a few of the more likely paths to victory, including the ones I mentioned in my prediction earlier. That's much worse election news than you might think could ever come out of Maine.


Eh? It's the Trump part of the state. If he wins there one could assume he's cruising to victory.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 21:13:31

Trump said everyone knew COVID was airborne in February so it's no big thing.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Augustus » Thu Sep 10, 2020 21:15:47

He won it last time in a close election. Most relevant scenario is Biden takes back PA and MI but Trump holds Wisconsin and ME2. That puts it 270-268 Trump. There is a small chance Dems could take the lead in state House delegations (currently 26-23-1), giving Biden the edge in case of 269-269.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby The Savior » Thu Sep 10, 2020 22:01:18

thephan wrote:Trump said everyone knew COVID was airborne in February so it's no big thing.


And yet, we didn’t talk masks or mass produce them until like May
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 11, 2020 02:59:47

CalvinBall wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:If Biden doesn't win ME-2, it would close a few of the more likely paths to victory, including the ones I mentioned in my prediction earlier. That's much worse election news than you might think could ever come out of Maine.


Eh? It's the Trump part of the state. If he wins there one could assume he's cruising to victory.



Biden winning ME-2 would open up several other paths to victory for Biden, not Trump. Sorry for my lack of specificity. I was referencing an earlier post.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 11, 2020 03:04:34

Augustus wrote:He won it last time in a close election. Most relevant scenario is Biden takes back PA and MI but Trump holds Wisconsin and ME2. That puts it 270-268 Trump. There is a small chance Dems could take the lead in state House delegations (currently 26-23-1), giving Biden the edge in case of 269-269.



I'm thinking Biden wins AZ. If he does that and wins MN, PA, and MI, he'll be fine. AZ is pretty important because I don't trust the midwest.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Fri Sep 11, 2020 07:11:34

Wonder if Biden could win the popular vote by 7 points and still lose the EC
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 11, 2020 07:41:05

I think it's possible. He's incredibly unpopular in many of the big states and he's targeted blue states for a variety of hateful acts. I really hope that's not the case. I'm buoyed by the stability of the polls. Trump hasn't been able to make a dent in Biden's lead people are either voting already or close to it.

Also, I don't think we've heard the worst of the whistleblower and woodward stuff. The dude is a monster and has no filter to hide it, particularly since his strokes or whatever the problem is.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Sep 11, 2020 08:39:19

Stay_Disappointed wrote:Wonder if Biden could win the popular vote by 7 points and still lose the EC

It's possible but a very small percentage chace. Saw a chart somewhere. Maybe someone even posted it here.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Sep 11, 2020 09:19:51

Uncle Milty wrote:
Stay_Disappointed wrote:Wonder if Biden could win the popular vote by 7 points and still lose the EC

It's possible but a very small percentage chace. Saw a chart somewhere. Maybe someone even posted it here.
I think Silver put it at like 1-2% with a margin that wide.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:35:35

Looking for interpretation assistance. I was at 538 and saw a chart of which I was unsure of the conclusion. I pasted the link below. About 1/2 way down the page is a chart titled "How the Forecast Has Changed". When I click on "Popular Vote" it shows 52.8% for Biden and 45.9% for Trump. What I am wonder - is that concluding a 52.8% chance that Biden wins the popular vote or that he will win 52.8% of the popular vote? Thank you!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:46:26

I believe it's a projection for share of popular vote based on information currently available. If you look right below it under "weird possibilities" Biden is 86% to win the popular vote.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JUburton » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:52:50

Uncle Milty wrote:I believe it's a projection for share of popular vote based on information currently available. If you look right below it under "weird possibilities" Biden is 86% to win the popular vote.

correct. fun fact its only a 10% chance that trump wins a majority of votes. wonder if he'd be the first two term president to never get a majority. probably.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:06:19

JUburton wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:I believe it's a projection for share of popular vote based on information currently available. If you look right below it under "weird possibilities" Biden is 86% to win the popular vote.

correct. fun fact its only a 10% chance that trump wins a majority of votes. wonder if he'd be the first two term president to never get a majority. probably.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:08:19

Barack Obama is the only Democrat who has gotten 50% of the vote nationally since Jimmy Carter (50.1%) in 1976

With 3rd party vote share so low this time, Biden seems at least somewhat likely to clear that

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