Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby MoBettle » Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:56:54

traderdave wrote:
The Savior wrote:I think it’s fair to try not to cause a public panic. I just don’t think he and the admin did it with good intention.

And they certainly didn’t couple it with rationale, reasonable recommendations.


It is very fair to not want to cause a panic but not wanting to cause a panic and actively working against what you know to be true are very different things. It seems obvious but it is also possible to not cause a panic and be truthful. Bush managed it after 9/11. Roosevelt managed it after Pearl Harbor.


He saying he doesn’t want to cause panic as he’s been constantly tweeting about “liberating” states and deep state conspiracies and freaking out about voting fraud lol. It’s a complete waste of time to consider any of his arguments in good faith.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:06:35

He also retweeted this. Fucking idiot.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:06:53

trump chose not to believe that it was dangerous at that time. No doubt in my mind. Now that he is proven wrong, it's the 'ol "I knew it all along" line to try to save face. Nothing to do with panic or fear.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby The Savior » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:10:22

traderdave wrote:
The Savior wrote:I think it’s fair to try not to cause a public panic. I just don’t think he and the admin did it with good intention.

And they certainly didn’t couple it with rationale, reasonable recommendations.


It is very fair to not want to cause a panic but not wanting to cause a panic and actively working against what you know to be true are very different things. It seems obvious but it is also possible to not cause a panic and be truthful. Bush managed it after 9/11. Roosevelt managed it after Pearl Harbor.


Read my full post. We are on same page.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby stevemc » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:16:25

Bucky wrote:trump chose not to believe that it was dangerous at that time. No doubt in my mind. Now that he is proven wrong, it's the 'ol "I knew it all along" line to try to save face. Nothing to do with panic or fear.


Except there are tapes back in February and March where he does point out it's dangerous as well as that children are susceptible to it and yet he goes out at the same time says it will miraculously disappear, it's just like the flu and liberate states and put kids back in school.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:32:09

stevemc wrote:
Bucky wrote:trump chose not to believe that it was dangerous at that time. No doubt in my mind. Now that he is proven wrong, it's the 'ol "I knew it all along" line to try to save face. Nothing to do with panic or fear.


Except there are tapes back in February and March where he does point out it's dangerous as well as that children are susceptible to it and yet he goes out at the same time says it will miraculously disappear, it's just like the flu and liberate states and put kids back in school.


yeah, he said that, but I don't think he believed (or wanted to believe) it was true. that's why i couched my statement as opinion.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:31:08

momadance wrote:He also retweeted this. #$!&@ idiot.


El Presidente retweeted that?

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby traderdave » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:33:24

I do not want to distract from Trump's treachery but I thought I'd mention this:

Reuters reported Thursday morning that suspected Russian state-backed hackers have attempted to breach the systems at Washington-based SKDKnickerbocker, a strategy and communications firm working hand-in-glove with Joe Biden’s campaign. The attacks, which took place over the past two months, were unsuccessful.

The failed hacking attempt was brought to SKDK’s attention by Microsoft, which reportedly gathered information identifying hackers linked to the Kremlin as the most likely suspects. The attacks are said to have mainly focused on phishing—a common hacking method which lures users into disclosing sensitive passwords.

That was the method used by Russian hackers to access DNC emails, which were subsequently leaked online, ahead of the 2016 presidential election.


Looking forward to Trump's comments on continued Russian interference in our elections.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby thephan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 13:20:11

there will be no comments forth coming from the President on that matter. FBI should be engaged however.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Squire » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:03:32

Monkeyboy wrote:The people on the edges of the administration seem to be going all in on stopping him. People are coming out of the woodwork with allegations. I assume they waited until now for maximum effect. It could be coordinated.

I hope they're successful because if they aren't there'll be nobody left to push back against him if he wins.


Another something today on this front..... US Treasury Department Sanctioning a Ukranian connected with Rudy as a Russian Spy involved with Russia's attempt to interfere in the 2020 election.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby momadance » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:07:13

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Breaking: Trump bragged to Bob Woodward that he protected Saudi Arabia's Mohammed bin Salman from congressional scrutiny after the assassination of Jamal Khashoggi.

"I saved his ass," Trump said in 2018. "I was able to get Congress to leave him alone."

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CFP » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:12:13

Echoing more loudly what jh said yesterday but why the fuck would you talk to Bob Woodward of all people

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:26:07

because lindsey graham!!!

but seriously, that tucker carlson thing that goes after graham. is there more to the story that the lincoln project didn't show, or is f-ucker's entire take that anybody who gets trump to answer questions is setting him up for failure and is an enemy of the fourth reich?

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Augustus » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:38:00

I've been trying to get my head around him willingly talking to Woodward so many times, and here's what I can come up with:

1. There is just no room in his world for any self-doubt of his own brilliance and competency.

2. He has probably heard of Woodward and knows he's a "top guy" in journalism. Trump is fixated on the whole "best people" thing and probably wanted Woodward's approval.

3. Going back to number 1, he believes he can work any journalist like he worked the New York tabloids in the '80s. He really thought he was going to win Woodward over.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:38:32

Is there really just one place to drop off ballots in Delaware County?
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:42:58

PhillieMooDo wrote:Is there really just one place to drop off ballots in Delaware County?


Each municipality will have a drop box besides a few that voted against it. I do not believe those locations have been announced yet.

From my understanding too, ballots should be allowed to start printing today. Everyone was waiting on a lawsuit regarding the Green Party's presidential nominee her in PA.

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby CFP » Thu Sep 10, 2020 14:53:21

Augustus wrote:I've been trying to get my head around him willingly talking to Woodward so many times, and here's what I can come up with:

1. There is just no room in his world for any self-doubt of his own brilliance and competency.

2. He has probably heard of Woodward and knows he's a "top guy" in journalism. Trump is fixated on the whole "best people" thing and probably wanted Woodward's approval.

3. Going back to number 1, he believes he can work any journalist like he worked the New York tabloids in the '80s. He really thought he was going to win Woodward over.


Not sure if you read the Politico article yesterday but you pretty much hit it word for word:

Trump’s decision to cooperate was seen as partly based on his respect for the Watergate reporter as an institution, the officials said, a rite of passage ritual numerous other presidents have gone through. They compared it to his 1980s cultural mindset that put special value on Time magazine covers and The New York Times.

“Trump loves brands, and Woodward has been the gold standard for 50 years of investigative journalism around the presidency, so it's the same reason why he likes the Gray Lady, he likes The New York Times. It's the paper of record traditionally in his hometown, so even though both excoriate him, he's attracted to them the way a low-IQ small moth would be to a flame,” said Anthony Scaramucci, who briefly served as White House communications director under Trump. “Trump is always convinced that if he talks to the person, he is going to elucidate and enlighten that person and get them to like him.”

Trump thought he could curry favor and shape the coverage similar to the way he did in New York City in the 1980s and ’90s with the tabloids, one Republican close to the White House said, but “it’s different when you control the nuclear codes and when you are the most powerful man in the world. The stakes are higher.”

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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby JFLNYC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 15:02:09

Hubris.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Sep 10, 2020 16:50:31

CalvinBall wrote:
PhillieMooDo wrote:Is there really just one place to drop off ballots in Delaware County?


Each municipality will have a drop box besides a few that voted against it. I do not believe those locations have been announced yet.

From my understanding too, ballots should be allowed to start printing today. Everyone was waiting on a lawsuit regarding the Green Party's presidential nominee her in PA.

Thanks. I'm doing what I can from WA to make sure my mom and sisters vote. They were shocked when I suggested not mailing their ballots.
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Re: Biden in Plain Sight: Politics

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 17:51:57

thephan wrote:
Wolfgang622 wrote:
thephan wrote:Just so it does not get washed over by a fake video of Trump firing a fake Obama,


I mean I get it but I don't think I'm like the tabloid news reporter of BSG.


I was just making noise, not trying to poke at you, it just seems like the crazy has been turned to 11.

That said, I am now wondering, because no one should trust Cohen at all, if this was somewhat coordinated as a hamfisted attempt at a distraction with the news about his ignorance/uncaring about military & vets compounded by his statements about the DoD leadership wanting to make defense contracts happy and wealthy, while not recognizing the damage that the book(s) would be offering up (including on the recorded audio), the serious questions about the DOJ stepping up to act as a personal lawyer for the president, and the two whistle blower reports out of DHS (not actually sure if it is two, or if it is one with someone supporting/confirming to the press).


Yes, zero chance Cohen throws Trump under the bus completely. For one thing, they still have lots of illegal things they did together that haven't been discovered so their fates are still intertwined. For another, Putin could have Cohen have an accident out a high window.

Grifters are going to grift and Cohen is still a grifter. There's a lot of other evidence for most of what he's said, so I believe those things, but I wouldn't trust anything without other evidence to back it up.
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