Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Aug 06, 2020 21:33:10

as long as we stay away from the term "deplorables"

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 00:37:46

JFC in 1980 NBC News projected Ronald a Reagan the winner of the presidency at 8:15PM EST. Knowing the endless shit show we are going to experience in 3 months I am insanely jealous of those simpler times.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby joe table » Fri Aug 07, 2020 01:14:50

Trump executive order banning US individuals and businesses from “transactions” with Bytedance (Tik Tok owner), Tencent and their affiliates. Some are interpreting broadly enough that it would restrict individuals from downloading the apps and agreeing to the TOS

From what I understand banning use of WeChat (Tencent platform) would completely shut down the ability of multinational corps to do business in China - it is used not only for payment processing but basically as the only permitted text/email option

Crazy stuff and a significant escalation. Going to ruin so many lawyers lives with this if they have big multinational clients

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Aug 07, 2020 01:56:45

mcare89 wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:Yes, that was my first thought. I hope they have the goods. But it seems like the NRA were pretty bad about hiding it and North came out and said there are problems, so I assume he'll work with authorities if he hasn't already done so.

I'm concerned this will generate some energy for Trump supporters. It's not just about who people will vote for. Get out the vote efforts depend a lot on energy and volunteers. This should help both of those things for the GOP. Hopefully it will peel off enough enough disgusted NRA supporters to even that out.

I do think it's possible this will tie back to Trump. Remember that russian spy woman who was in bed (literally) will some GOP folks and it was all tied to the NRA. There was a lot of russian money coming through there and then indirectly into Trump's coffers.

I believe it was the NY office of some agency that was behind much of the anti-hillary stuff right before the election. Maybe that's going to happen again, except in favor of the dems this time.

I've had this argument with a friend who takes a similar viewpoint, and I kinda take the view that you're just playing whack-a-mole if you're trying to avoid doing anything that will inflame the GOP base. No matter what you do, the Republican machine will find a way to drum up some random occurrence as a wedge issue that's proof of whatever they're selling. Some local city council passing a bill saying you can't bring assault rifles to a kindergarten center will become a national cause for anarchy. If the Democrats who are empowered to make real changes don't do it because they're afraid Republicans will be mad about it, what's the point of all this?



Yeh, I agree with what you're saying. Josh Marshall at TPM talks a lot about this kind of thing. I wasn't saying we shouldn't do it. I'm just concerned it might help him. Much better to stay on the attack than play defense. Keep hitting them.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Fri Aug 07, 2020 02:00:27

joe table wrote:Trump executive order banning US individuals and businesses from “transactions” with Bytedance (Tik Tok owner), Tencent and their affiliates. Some are interpreting broadly enough that it would restrict individuals from downloading the apps and agreeing to the TOS

From what I understand banning use of WeChat (Tencent platform) would completely shut down the ability of multinational corps to do business in China - it is used not only for payment processing but basically as the only permitted text/email option

Crazy stuff and a significant escalation. Going to ruin so many lawyers lives with this if they have big multinational clients



wChat is used for everything. You can't make purchases at many stores and venders without it. The fact that I now have an excuse not to be getting 10000000000000 wechat messages a day makes me feel pretty good, but I don't know how I'll buy stuff if I go back.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby The Savior » Fri Aug 07, 2020 07:17:13

How is this shit with kayne legal? Fuck that guy.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby The Savior » Fri Aug 07, 2020 07:18:17

And the news coverage not calling this what it is - clear fraudulent unethical activity - is ridiculous.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Aug 07, 2020 07:29:07

News coverage of anything right now is ridiculous based on the little I watch.

I caught a few minutes of the Today show. Their presentation of Trump and Biden's day yesterday is outrageous.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Fri Aug 07, 2020 09:28:28

The Savior wrote:How is this shit with kayne legal? Fuck that guy.


Kanye West will have no impact on the election. Most of black community view him as an insane Trump cultist. The thought that a bunch of blacks will see Kanye's name on the ballot and vote for him over Biden is, IMO, both ridiculous and racist.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Aug 07, 2020 09:37:30

If the margin is as close as some places in 2016 even the smallest number of votes could impact. Not that I think it will happen.

I think it's okay to call this out regardless of its influence.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:01:35

Thought this was interesting in reading about the drought of quality polls.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/12 ... 4411367425
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby thephan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:10:26

Ya know its bullshit when Trump is good with him in the mix. Maybe that early debate Trump is clamoring for can be Kanye-Donald
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby thephan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:13:48

Uncle Milty wrote:Thought this was interesting in reading about the drought of quality polls.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/12 ... 4411367425


Interesting but man I hate that it is death by dozens of tweets.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:09:37

So have I just become a Biden apologist or do others understand what he meant and not regard it as a offensive?
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby azrider » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:15:06

Gimpy wrote:
Oh god, can you imagine a world without police or guns?



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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Bucky » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:17:21

that guy selling soft pretzels in the background is a nice touch

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:18:06

Uncle Milty wrote:So have I just become a Biden apologist or do others understand what he meant and not regard it as a offensive?

What happened?
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby thephan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:24:02

you have to separate what he was saying from how it was weaponized. So the intention and words and meaning lose value after the translator turns it into a garbage hot take coupled with "news" soundbites changing flawed opinion into accepted fact. TL;DR: Dose not matter what the intention/only matters how it has been presented.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby thephan » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:27:08

WRT news coverage, I think it has become all the same. Its all click bait basically now. Covering the stumbles and exceptions clouds the actual news that should be paid attention to. I am as prone as any one to the gotcha, which is hardly even a thing in a Trump/Post Trump world and you know that by the number of times that someone said/wrote/posted/tweeted 'now imagine if XXXX did that'. It does not matter anymore and you can tel because Trump still exists as a public official.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Fri Aug 07, 2020 13:48:57

Bill McNeal wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:So have I just become a Biden apologist or do others understand what he meant and not regard it as a offensive?

What happened?

Here's a clip

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