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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby CFP » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:39:52

momadance wrote:My guess is that the press conference has to do with the NRA.


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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby momadance » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:41:47

Full story...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:43:31

sHoCkEr

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Rockinghorse » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:51:39

Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby CFP » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:58:49

Rockinghorse wrote:Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.


What about the common-sense gun people who have been donating to the NRA for years who just found out their money has been played around with?

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby azrider » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:00:37

Rockinghorse wrote:Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.


kinda agree, but that's the AG's job. you gotta do it.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby azrider » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:01:41

CFP wrote:
Rockinghorse wrote:Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.


What about the common-sense gun people who have been donating to the NRA for years who just found out their money has been played around with?


just float out some QAnon shit....

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Werthless » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:02:28

CFP wrote:
Rockinghorse wrote:Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.


What about the common-sense gun people who have been donating to the NRA for years who just found out their money has been played around with?

With respect, but I doubt they'll change their vote. This isn't even a Trump thing.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby momadance » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:04:27

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BREAKING: The DC Attorney General is following the lead of NY AG Letitia James by filing suit against the @NRA, which has entities chartered in both New York and Washington, DC.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Rockinghorse » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:05:33

I just mean he'll pound this on the campaign trail, since it has an actual recent reference point for people. Running around yelling Biden is a socialist/facist wasn't going to work as well. This could resonate with the low-info and bad-info swing voters who control our fate.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby PSUsarge » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:22:58

Idk that those voters would end up going for Biden anyway, though. Trump is the king of bad info.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:28:36

Rockinghorse wrote:I just mean he'll pound this on the campaign trail, since it has an actual recent reference point for people. Running around yelling Biden is a socialist/facist wasn't going to work as well. This could resonate with the low-info and bad-info swing voters who control our fate.


Meh. People who are swayed by the "OMGZ guys, they're coming for your gunz!!!" message are 100% dyed-in-the-wool Trumpanzees.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:32:13

This isn't at all a surprise--there have been internal conflicts among the NRA leadership for years, and if I recall correctly, LaPierre pushed out Ollie North of all people, who called attention to the corruption of the organization. The fact is the "victims" of the NRA fraud are in fact the very 2nd amendment advocates who have been loyally sending in their checks to the organization for years.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby momadance » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:34:21

Trump is enroute to Ohio to meet with DeWine. DeWine just tested positive for rona.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Wolfgang622 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:13:39

TomatoPie wrote:Alan Lichtman has his "13 Keys" theory on predicting presidential elections, and his record is unblemished, he even called Trump.

Absent the economic effects of corona, his model would call a Trump win in November, but as it stands he scores it 7-6 for Biden.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 304680001/


This increases my anxiety rather than filling me with hope. Coronavirus is receding; all Trump needs is three good weeks from October 15th through the election and he wins.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby jamiethekiller » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:23:13

Wolfgang622 wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:Alan Lichtman has his "13 Keys" theory on predicting presidential elections, and his record is unblemished, he even called Trump.

Absent the economic effects of corona, his model would call a Trump win in November, but as it stands he scores it 7-6 for Biden.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 304680001/


This increases my anxiety rather than filling me with hope. Coronavirus is receding; all Trump needs is three good weeks from October 15th through the election and he wins.


rural areas that never saw the virus in the spring will most likely be experiencing local outbreaks then. that won't be great for him.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:29:09

Wolfgang622 wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:Alan Lichtman has his "13 Keys" theory on predicting presidential elections, and his record is unblemished, he even called Trump.

Absent the economic effects of corona, his model would call a Trump win in November, but as it stands he scores it 7-6 for Biden.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 304680001/


This increases my anxiety rather than filling me with hope. Coronavirus is receding; all Trump needs is three good weeks from October 15th through the election and he wins.

If you're in the group that believes turnout helps Biden Coronavirus receding in populous areas is a good thing.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby TomatoPie » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:29:39

I like that James is being coy here. She filed these civil suits, then declined to answer when pressed on whether there would also be criminal charges, or referrals, such as to the IRS for tax fraud.

My guess is that there WILL be, but only once we know that Bill Barr can't squelch it. Gotta hold powder here.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:41:30

Werthless wrote:
CFP wrote:
Rockinghorse wrote:Not sure I like the timing of this. Throws Trump a lifeline to Republicans who are wavering on voting for him -- Biden will take away your guns.


What about the common-sense gun people who have been donating to the NRA for years who just found out their money has been played around with?

With respect, but I doubt they'll change their vote. This isn't even a Trump thing.



It might be once it's shown the NRA dealings with Russia. Maybe this scandal and the Deutsch Bank scandal will come together at one point. Lots of russian money flowing into both.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Thu Aug 06, 2020 13:45:51

Wolfgang622 wrote:
TomatoPie wrote:Alan Lichtman has his "13 Keys" theory on predicting presidential elections, and his record is unblemished, he even called Trump.

Absent the economic effects of corona, his model would call a Trump win in November, but as it stands he scores it 7-6 for Biden.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 304680001/


This increases my anxiety rather than filling me with hope. Coronavirus is receding; all Trump needs is three good weeks from October 15th through the election and he wins.


What's this about Coronavirus "receding?"

That's news to me considering we are averaging 60000 new cases and over 1000 deaths per day.

Also, I strongly disagree that "three good weeks" get Trump reelected.

1. When has Trump ever had three good weeks as POTUS?

2. After over 3.5 years of his nonsense, there are very few voters on the fence with under three months until Election Day.
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