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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby MoBettle » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:35:30

Uncle Milty wrote:
stevemc wrote:I read over the weekend a bio on Susan Rice and it was throwing support towards her as VP because she doesn't covet the presidency and Biden/Rice would simply be a one term duo and then the Dems would reset in 2024. I don't get that logic and wondered what others thought? If your party wins the Presidency, you want to ride the wave of popularity towards a 2nd term that normally comes for an incumbent.

I also don't get the logic. Even if Biden is viewed as one term only continuity and a smooth transition is key. Probably gives an edge to Harris.

Especially after the lack of an Obama heir probably contributed to a lack of enthusiasm among Dems/people going from Obama to trump in ‘16.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:36:47

Uncle Milty wrote:The pick comes down to what votes they're chasing. Seems like each option appeals to different groups.


Think it comes down to who will have the fewest problems. Harris is likely that person. VP choices aren't getting you votes.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby azrider » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:38:08

still think michelle O is the grand slam.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:46:30

Am I alone in thinking that the fact that Harris was a DA works in her favor with swing voters? She sort of squares the circle there.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby ashton » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:46:57

I much prefer Biden chose a running mate who isn't planning to seek the nomination in four years. I think the Democratic nominee in 2024 will stand a much better chance of winning the presidency if he/she is perceived as being chosen by the people rather than being anointed by Biden.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:47:24

TenuredVulture wrote:Am I alone in thinking that the fact that Harris was a DA works in her favor with swing voters? She sort of squares the circle there.


I think between Demmings and Bottoms, she has the least bad police/justice background.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby azrider » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:51:19

yeah, can't piss off those "protesters" that compose about .0001% of the voting population.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby Uncle Milty » Mon Jul 27, 2020 13:57:32

CalvinBall wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:The pick comes down to what votes they're chasing. Seems like each option appeals to different groups.


Think it comes down to who will have the fewest problems. Harris is likely that person. VP choices aren't getting you votes.

Generally agree.

With folks on both sides questioning Biden's health and capacity I also think it could be different this time. I stopped short with "appeals" - each also puts off different groups.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby PSUsarge » Mon Jul 27, 2020 14:26:01

@NateSilver538
Trump's approval rating drops below 40% (albeit just barely, to 39.9%) for the first time since the shutdown.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby traderdave » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:07:14

CalvinBall wrote:
Uncle Milty wrote:The pick comes down to what votes they're chasing. Seems like each option appeals to different groups.


Think it comes down to who will have the fewest problems. Harris is likely that person. VP choices aren't getting you votes.


But could it lose you votes?

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:20:49

JFLNYC wrote:
Bucky wrote:kasich & lock up ohio


Do not want to see Kasich in drag.


Really? Seriously? I think that would be worth the price of admission.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby Doll Is Mine! » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:27:12

I'm genuinely surprised by some of the negative comments I'm reading on social media from progressives about Kamala Harris. I thought she was more popular than she is.

What is it about her that turns some off?
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby thephan » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:27:43

ashton wrote:I much prefer Biden chose a running mate who isn't planning to seek the nomination in four years. I think the Democratic nominee in 2024 will stand a much better chance of winning the presidency if he/she is perceived as being chosen by the people rather than being anointed by Biden.


Where I am more than willing to throw out the perception of anointing anyone, a VP pick is not some beginning of a dynasty (very conspiracy theory), but I do want someone who has some continuity to finish what Biden start/restarts.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:31:53

She’s not an executive. She’s a prosecutor. Throughout her campaign she showed a singular lack of interest in and ideas for policy proposals. Given Biden’s age I would prefer someone who has solid policy ideas and the executive chops to get those ideas done.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:33:23

Joe Biden will be 78 in November, I think his VP pick will have a big influence on this election.

He would be one of the oldest people ever elected to lead a country in the history of the world.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby Bucky » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:37:42

maybe in normal times. people aren't going to flip to trump because they don't want the vp to ever be in the big chair.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:38:36

Bucky wrote:maybe in normal times. people aren't going to flip to trump because they don't want the vp to ever be in the big chair.

You underestimate how racist/sexist many people are in this country.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby MoBettle » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:42:15

They’ll make the safest choice for VP. They’re in full sticks defense at this point.
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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby Doll Is Mine! » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:44:01

It's an issue of trust with her it seems.

I, personally, would pick Susan Rice or Karen Bass over her.

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Re: Politics, Polls + Polarization = 0 Parscale

Postby heyeaglefn » Mon Jul 27, 2020 15:47:35

MoBettle wrote:They’ll make the safest choice for VP. They’re in full sticks defense at this point.

Yeah I think when you are probably up two scores in the game you don't want to give the other team anything they could use to try to get back into it.

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