The cartoonist is a white supremacist and anti-semite and a Q anon person

Stay_Disappointed wrote:What is it about science that MAGA people don’t like?

Great answers above, I'll add mine, less in the sense of science but more in general - changes caused by science and tech have typically not been kind to rural / middle class America over the past decades.

Science and tech have usually meant the departure of manufacturing, mining, etc. jobs from areas without much else to rely on. It's easier just to deny the painful reality than to face it, easier to eat the "junk food" Trump served about coal than to understand why Hillary was so excited about putting coal miners of of their jobs.

Cal's post earlier in the thread about gas / the Marcellus Shale is also a great example, as was the reception to the Libby, MT asbestos disaster:

According to Orom, what typically occurs is that with the news of contamination, properties are devalued and businesses start leaving the area.

"Suddenly, you've got two disasters: an economic disaster and a medical disaster," she says. "It's not surprising that some families decide, 'let's stop talking about it.' Those who continue to bring it up are then labeled troublemakers. Those who are sick and are seen with their oxygen also get labeled. So, many people, especially those with symptoms, start to isolate themselves at home and that affects how and if they discuss their illness with family members."

"There is a reason why people don't like to discuss illness in general, anyway," says Orom. "With an environmental diasaster, there is an additional layer creating a propensity for silence. In our focus groups, we saw instances where families rejected the legitimacy of the illness and estranged the person who was ill."

https://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2 ... 13341.html

CalvinBall wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:Governor Wolf worked with Republicans (and left out the Ds again) to pass another tax giveaway to petrochemical plants because JOBS.

This is so hilarious. Senator Turncoat Yudichek praising Governor Wolf for living up to campaign promises to leverage the Mrcellus Shale for jobs and the FUTURE OF PENNSYLVANIA.

Gas is a dying industry. And this provides prevailing wage jobs just for construction which are temporary jobs! It is hilarious that the conversation around energy and manufacturing is still as if we are in 1980. Give tax credits to big gas companies! Send good money after bad is all it is. Ohio has done this nonsense and they still continue to hemorrhage jobs.

Not sure what else to say other than cosign

Sessions v Tuberville today

Stay_Disappointed wrote:What is it about science that MAGA people don’t like?

Promised The Jetsons but got Knight Rider instead

They also realize the country went to crap when The Hoff left FLAG (Foundation for Law and Government) to become a California lifeguard.

Seriously tho, can't discount how much of it is "if they're for it I'm against it"

Biden is running ads in Texas.

https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/ ... 9594002432

Uncle Milty wrote:Seriously tho, can't discount how much of it is "if they're for it I'm against it"

Case in point - the whole unisex bathrooms saga

Uncle Milty wrote:Gates Foundation is a nice touch on that fine art

I wonder if there is any polling on "undecided voters" in the way that JH posted that can identify the loon factor. For instance, if you think the Gates foundation is questionable, and are still "undecided," we know you're gonna vote for Trump.

It's more than "science" though--it's expertise in any field. And I think there are a few important factors beyond economics.

One is that there is a real sense where scientific methods are antithetical to an authoritarian mindset. The authoritarian dislikes the contingent nature of scientific knowledge--the way science constantly revises itself as new evidence emerges. Consider the mask debate--many reject the efficacy of mask because 4 months ago, public health authorities said something different. But as evidence emerged that masks help prevent the spread, science changed their recommendation. So in a very real sense the very nature of science itself is something the authoritarians reject. They are in a way doubling down on their cognitive dissonance.

Ironically, there is also a matter of rejecting the authority of experts themselves--you see this in "experts don't know anything" attitude. But it's not about rejecting authority--it's the characteristics of those who hold authority. So, they are gullible towards certain kinds of authority figures--those who seem to "never back down" for example, while rejecting those whose conclusions are subject to revision.

"Public schools are failure factories where Marxist loser teachers indoctrinate our children!"

also,

"The kids have to go back to school right this second or else they're doomed!"

The WH launched a campaign today urging the unemployed to "find something new" ...

momadance wrote:The WH launched a campaign today urging the unemployed to "find something new" ...

Like a paycheck?

Uncle Milty wrote:

momadance wrote:The WH launched a campaign today urging the unemployed to "find something new" ...

Like a paycheck?

Like a President?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/kim-yo-jong-north-korea-nuclear.html

A little-noticed statement last week by the sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un indicates that no more arms talks will be held anytime soon and even that the deal Kim offered at last year’s summit with President Donald Trump in Hanoi, Vietnam—to shut down one nuclear reactor in exchange for the lifting of all U.S. sanctions since 2016—is now off the table.

Does not look like someone who will suffer idiots

Augustus wrote:"Public schools are failure factories where Marxist loser teachers indoctrinate our children!"

also,

"The kids have to go back to school right this second or else they're doomed!"

Even I don't believe that is Trump.

TenuredVulture wrote:It's more than "science" though--it's expertise in any field. And I think there are a few important factors beyond economics.

One is that there is a real sense where scientific methods are antithetical to an authoritarian mindset. The authoritarian dislikes the contingent nature of scientific knowledge--the way science constantly revises itself as new evidence emerges. Consider the mask debate--many reject the efficacy of mask because 4 months ago, public health authorities said something different. But as evidence emerged that masks help prevent the spread, science changed their recommendation. So in a very real sense the very nature of science itself is something the authoritarians reject. They are in a way doubling down on their cognitive dissonance.

Ironically, there is also a matter of rejecting the authority of experts themselves--you see this in "experts don't know anything" attitude. But it's not about rejecting authority--it's the characteristics of those who hold authority. So, they are gullible towards certain kinds of authority figures--those who seem to "never back down" for example, while rejecting those whose conclusions are subject to revision.

"Stay_Disappointed" AKA Warsawzawa or however you spelled that had a really great question, and I think we've had some great answers. I was headed where PSUSarge and TV went, but I think Augustus and Werthless also had valid points. I think it is a combination of all of these factors, to greater and lesser degrees:

Distrust of authority and institutions (baked into the USA DNA in its narrative about itself); the pernicious influence of the Prosperity Gospel (if you want a great, great read on the complicity of a certain strain of Protestant thought in the anti-labor, anti-worker, pro-libertarian individualist movement, read Kevin Kruse's One Nation Under God); the sense of identification with the middle-class, white suburban patterns and norms established after WWII, and the feeling of threat that comes when they are challenged (please, please, I implore you, watch the four part documentary The Century of the Self if you want to understand the Baby Boomers, which is available on YouTube, first part here); the reality that, yes, science and what is traditionally termed progress - which really refers to technological progress - has destroyed whole ways of life and left so many if not ghost then zombie towns in middle America, populated by trapped and shellshocked people who self-medicate in the most shockingly self-destructing of ways, a problem that crosses racial divides: Wheeling, WV is white, and Flint, Michigan, is black, but the problems are largely the same (Michael Moore, despite his latter-day devolvement into cartoonish reactionaryism, covered this phenomenon so eloquently in his debut film, Roger & Me); and then originally and finally the psychological turn that Barack Obama described - not incorrectly - as people "clinging" to familiar patterns of behavior that cross generational lines as a coping mechanism: to guns and the culture of male bonding, as a kind of monument to times lost, to religion that not only preaches but demands a set of beliefs that remain stalwart and unchanging in the face of relentless change, to the point of reductio ad absurdum: originally, because it is these patterns that permitted their exploitation, as their religions and traditions taught them loyalty and family honor above all else; and finally, because it is the hollow promise of these that is all that is left to them, as they watch a place - like, say, Shenandoah, PA, where my grandfather was from - turn to all but dust as they live on in poverty and only a worthless and decaying house and a dozen over-filled and increasingly unvisited cemeteries to show for all of their American dreaming.

Bari Weiss has resigned from NYT. No word on whether she'll go back to her original vocation of trying to get college professors fired.

The problem of real estate is a good one to consider--everyone is told by experts to buy and build equity. And that makes sense in growing metropolitan areas. In other parts of the country, it's not necessarily the case. One impact this has (and it's well documented among African Americans who were often denied mortgages) is that it limits the inter-generational transfer of wealth.

For a guy who supposedly has bad dementia Joe Biden really has no problem following a teleprompter. Would have to think if he had dementia he would not be able to do this but I guess don't tell Republicans that.