I don't know, there are a ton of dumb people out there. Sure there are people that will put their travel plans on hold at least for the year and maybe transition to more stay at home entertainment, but there are lots of people that will go back to BAU as soon as they are allowed to.

I had tickets to the Hella Mega Tour in August that I had listed on Ticketmaster in Hershey and someone just paid 3X the cost to buy 2 of them.

the Wildwood mayor was on Good Day Philadelphia yesterday touting vacations to Wildwood and how safe it will be

think about the boardwalk, folks

those wild wild wildwood days will turn into wild wild wildwood deaths

someone like moma will keep their distance and know what to do down the shore; i worry about the 'fake news' crowd that also tends to be older and will be going on the damn boardwalk for their morning walk

heyeaglefn wrote:I don't know, there are a ton of dumb people out there. Sure there are people that will put their travel plans on hold at least for the year and maybe transition to more stay at home entertainment, but there are lots of people that will go back to BAU as soon as they are allowed to.

I had tickets to the Hella Mega Tour in August that I had listed on Ticketmaster in Hershey and someone just paid 3X the cost to buy 2 of them.

Desperate people do desperate things. I think the definition of BAU has been fully vetted, I'm not sure people fully understand how different BAU will be for the next 12-18 months.

i think the definition most people are using is "pre-pandemic".

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

many of my neighbors were already being forced to work, for example. i live in a relatively 'higher' income level neighborhood but that just means it's 35k instead of 30k for a family.

wrongful death lawsuits are starting at meat processing plants

"As of May 1, there were 858 confirmed cases from workers at 22 Pennsylvania plants."

Russ Diamond, the local state rep where there were 2 known deaths in a Fredericksburg, Lebanon County plant, said that he was told that it's not local residents that work there and that it's 'people packed in vans from another county' as though that means the deaths don't matter? Those deaths are the people that live here! They're just being cast aside.

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

The B1G Piece wrote:

heyeaglefn wrote:I don't know, there are a ton of dumb people out there. Sure there are people that will put their travel plans on hold at least for the year and maybe transition to more stay at home entertainment, but there are lots of people that will go back to BAU as soon as they are allowed to.

I had tickets to the Hella Mega Tour in August that I had listed on Ticketmaster in Hershey and someone just paid 3X the cost to buy 2 of them.

Desperate people do desperate things. I think the definition of BAU has been fully vetted, I'm not sure people fully understand how different BAU will be for the next 12-18 months.

Yeah I think some industries are going to take a big hit, obviously people won't be flocking to cruises or probably to fly for a good amount of time. I think if the Eagles had a home game this weekend it would sell out though if all restrictions were listed.

Bucky wrote:i think the definition most people are using is "pre-pandemic".

Definitely agree, but BAU pre-pandemic included sporting events, packed bars, restaurants, movie theaters, travel boom, etc.

For reference, got an email from Lyft this morning that all drivers and passengers must confirm they're free of COVID-19 symptoms, have to sit in the back seat and wear a mask.

pacino wrote:wrongful death lawsuits are starting at meat processing plants

It is things like this that make my blood boil when I hear McConnell push that liability shield for businesses

the liability is a waste anyway because so many states are at will and the courts will just say 'well you could have quit!'

In a slightly different vein, I would like to see some flat out terminations during the Pandemic. I know of a business that has a campus where they have some essential workers operating out of. I know the framework of what they are doing, and it is important. They managed social spacing, shift working, PPE rules, etc., and that is pretty good, but there have been some really dumb things.

1) Someone in Senior management pushed that the gym be kept open so that these folks could stress relief. Someone gets wind of this that is out as presumptive positive, but they come in and use the equipment. $100K later its clean again.

2) A guy takes his live in girl friend for a test because she is not feeling well. After he returns her home, he comes in. Her test is positive, so 3 days later he gets a test, and comes in after being tested. 2 days later his test comes back positive. At that point he tells people this whole saga. So there is a 7 - 10 day run of secondary exposure requiring a $60K clean and 14 people to be sent to quarantine. That guy should be canned.

pacino wrote:the Wildwood mayor was on Good Day Philadelphia yesterday touting vacations to Wildwood and how safe it will be

think about the boardwalk, folks

those wild wild wildwood days will turn into wild wild wildwood deaths

someone like moma will keep their distance and know what to do down the shore; i worry about the 'fake news' crowd that also tends to be older and will be going on the damn boardwalk for their morning walk

Wildwood is a MAGA hellhole.

https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/i-h ... -not-good/

Cuban hired mystery shopperse to visit and call businesses in Dallas to see how its going since it reopened.


but hey, at least these places aren't on the unemployment roles anymore!

momadance wrote:

pacino wrote:the Wildwood mayor was on Good Day Philadelphia yesterday touting vacations to Wildwood and how safe it will be

think about the boardwalk, folks

those wild wild wildwood days will turn into wild wild wildwood deaths

someone like moma will keep their distance and know what to do down the shore; i worry about the 'fake news' crowd that also tends to be older and will be going on the damn boardwalk for their morning walk

Wildwood is a MAGA hellhole.

oh god

think about the t shirt shops this season

pacino wrote:

momadance wrote:

pacino wrote:the Wildwood mayor was on Good Day Philadelphia yesterday touting vacations to Wildwood and how safe it will be

think about the boardwalk, folks

those wild wild wildwood days will turn into wild wild wildwood deaths

someone like moma will keep their distance and know what to do down the shore; i worry about the 'fake news' crowd that also tends to be older and will be going on the damn boardwalk for their morning walk

Wildwood is a MAGA hellhole.

oh god

think about the t shirt shops this season

LOL I completely forgot about them!

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-gui ... 1795653455

jamiethekiller wrote:https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/i-hired-a-team-of-secret-shoppers-to-find-out-how-businesses-were-opening-in-dallas-its-not-good/

Cuban hired mystery shopperse to visit and call businesses in Dallas to see how its going since it reopened.


but hey, at least these places aren't on the unemployment roles anymore!

Roll the ball out there in Vegas and let's PLAY SOME HOOPS

azrider wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

This is the middle and upper middle class economy though. Many lower income folks don't have the time, technology or money to utilize any of that.

heyeaglefn wrote:I don't know, there are a ton of dumb people out there. Sure there are people that will put their travel plans on hold at least for the year and maybe transition to more stay at home entertainment, but there are lots of people that will go back to BAU as soon as they are allowed to.

I had tickets to the Hella Mega Tour in August that I had listed on Ticketmaster in Hershey and someone just paid 3X the cost to buy 2 of them.

Still planning on my vacation to Wyoming in late June

Same ... Still planning on my camping trip to Colorado, SD, Wyoming, and Utah at the end of July.

lethal wrote:

azrider wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

This is the middle and upper middle class economy though. Many lower income folks don't have the time, technology or money to utilize any of that.

amazon, grocery pickup, streaming services, instead of the theatre?