We are trying to move our Colorado Rover trip from summer of 2021 to 2022. It's a long way out but the Olympics got moved and my niece is a hopeful.

No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

Congratulations?

lethal wrote:

azrider wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

This is the middle and upper middle class economy though. Many lower income folks don't have the time, technology or money to utilize any of that.

Never said it wasn't, but those folks were the ones already moving these trends forward anyway. Shelter-in-place just accelerated them by months or years.

heyeaglefn wrote:

The B1G Piece wrote:Desperate people do desperate things. I think the definition of BAU has been fully vetted, I'm not sure people fully understand how different BAU will be for the next 12-18 months.

Yeah I think some industries are going to take a big hit, obviously people won't be flocking to cruises or probably to fly for a good amount of time. I think if the Eagles had a home game this weekend it would sell out though if all restrictions were listed.

I do think live events will be the fastest "back to normal" - but I also think that's because it's going to take them longer than almost anything else to come back fully.

Travel, hospitality, and retail are going to have a hell of a time, I think, and unfortunately there are a shit ton of service workers who rely on those industries. Idk what good solutions even exist to that problem - it's been decades in the making.

azrider wrote:

lethal wrote:

azrider wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

This is the middle and upper middle class economy though. Many lower income folks don't have the time, technology or money to utilize any of that.

amazon, grocery pickup, streaming services, instead of the theatre?

Yes. Lots of people don’t have credit cards and operate on cash. Lots of people on budgets can’t afford to buy large quantities of food to stock up. Lots of people can’t afford or don’t have access to reliable broadband internet.

There’s several papers about how the digital economy is exacerbating class divides.

and the virus is exacerbating this exacerbation

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

Where in SC?

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

i tweeted at you today but to show you a jason isbell video

pacino wrote:Russ Diamond, the local state rep where there were 2 known deaths in a Fredericksburg, Lebanon County plant, said that he was told that it's not local residents that work there and that it's 'people packed in vans from another county' as though that means the deaths don't matter? Those deaths are the people that live here! They're just being cast aside.

Bell and Evans?

lethal wrote:

azrider wrote:

PSUsarge wrote:

The Savior wrote:Reopening to low income folks = back to work, back to public transportation, back to no unemployment, back to not going to hospital so we don’t get bankrupted

Reopening to middle and upper class = keep working from home, we want you happy and safe and we realize you are trying to teach your kids via reliable internet with tablets.

It’s all a show. I’m presumably an upper middle class individual and I’m not going anywhere anytime soon. Not risking my life or my kids. Nope.

Yeah I think this is the thing a lot of these folks ranting about "the economy" are missing. Consumer behavior - especially in the bull market we've experienced over the past 11 years - isn't just going to "reopen" when states/cities do.

Especially travel, tourism, and sports & entertainment - that's going to take a while to recover, in the sense of consumers feeling fully comfortable.

The shutdown period has also accelerated a lot of trends that were already on a slow march forward anyway - the "stay at home" economy with streaming and food delivery services and Peloton, ecommerce (Amazon) at the expense of brick & mortar, grocery delivery, telemedicine, etc.

that can't be overstated enough.

This is the middle and upper middle class economy though. Many lower income folks don't have the time, technology or money to utilize any of that.

Many of the lower income folks will also lose jobs in a mass migration to work from home.

CalvinBall wrote:

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

i tweeted at you today but to show you a jason isbell video

LOL, I appreciated it. It was very good!

Uncle Milty wrote:

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

Where in SC?

Greenville

Eem wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:

Eem wrote:No vacation for me, but that's because I bought a house and am moving to South Carolina... which a psychopath on Twitter told me was selfish during a pandemic. Really appreciated that take, which he used to follow up a point that I won't have a livelihood this fall. Thanks buddy!

Where in SC?

Greenville

Nice area. I looked at some houses out there before I decided to stay in NC.

In my daily Delco COVID-19 email from my Rep. it appears there is going to be more and more pressure to separate out the nursing home population. He is a republican but up till now he has not pushed this idea. 183 new cases in Delco today, the highest total in the past 7 days. I also saw that if we continue to follow Wolf's plan Philadelphia will not go yellow until September. I don't know how much influence Rachel Levine has in all of this but I'm surprised Wolf has not buckled yet.

You're surprised Wolf hasn't "buckled" yet but in the previous sentence said Delco had its highest total in 7 days. Maybe that has something to do with it?

the Lebanon county da (who, as an aside, is a smoke show) released a statement saying she will not prosecute any business that reopens.

Lebanon’s finest weighed in:

yeah and it isn’t Ralph Levine. Hope all that estrogen pays off when we throw it in jail. It will make a nice playmate for someone.

Half the deaths in PA are from long term care facilities.

Werthless wrote:Half the deaths in PA are from long term care facilities.

It’s actually 70%

To respond to CFP above, that is the issue. People are going to continue to get really pissed if all this is about is saving people in nursing homes. Delco might actually be yellow right now if not for tracking the stats this way, oh and they include suspected cases for good measure!

SE PA shelter-in-place extended until June 4

let the fireworks begin

Uncle Milty wrote:

pacino wrote:Russ Diamond, the local state rep where there were 2 known deaths in a Fredericksburg, Lebanon County plant, said that he was told that it's not local residents that work there and that it's 'people packed in vans from another county' as though that means the deaths don't matter? Those deaths are the people that live here! They're just being cast aside.

Bell and Evans?

Yes