How does Bernie play to those theoretical GOP housewives who might cross the line? If they are moderate GOP o cannot see them going for him. I think his embrace of those tags make him a turnoff. Yelling 'I'm a socialist' and going on that he's the nightmare of Wall Street, business, etc.' is a rough sell, more so to that target.

thephan wrote:How does Bernie play to those theoretical GOP housewives who might cross the line? If they are moderate GOP o cannot see them going for him. I think his embrace of those tags make him a turnoff. Yelling 'I'm a socialist' and going on that he's the nightmare of Wall Street, business, etc.' is a rough sell, more so to that target.

I am utterly unconcerned with those theoretical GOP housewives because, in the main, they do not exist.

After impeachment, Trump has 94% approval among Republicans. Of that 6%, some are those who are "concerned" about his behavior but will vote for him anyway, and others are those who will skip the presidential election or vote third party, but never vote for a Democrat. Please forget about these people. This is the bizarre 2004 mentality that still infects this political party. It leads you to things like picking Tim Kaine as a running mate and not campaigning in Wisconsin.

Groups the Democrats should actually be targeting:
-2 time Obama voters who broke for Trump
-African American and young voters who stayed home in 2016

Augustus wrote:After impeachment, Trump has 94% approval among Republicans. Of that 6%, some are those who are "concerned" about his behavior but will vote for him anyway, and others are those who will skip the presidential election or vote third party, but never vote for a Democrat. Please forget about these people. This is the bizarre 2004 mentality that still infects this political party. It leads you to things like picking Tim Kaine as a running mate and not campaigning in Wisconsin.

Groups the Democrats should actually be targeting:
-2 time Obama voters who broke for Trump
-African American and young voters who stayed home in 2016

Agree, and the former of those two groups are probably most likely to be drawn to Bernie, frankly, of the remaining Democratic candidates.

As to the latter, young people for sure will be drawn more to Bernie; I do think the Dems will have a problem this time round with black voters. My guess is none of the people on stage have lost Cory Booker’s phone number.

oh dear.

Somebody really ought to pull him aside and tell him it’s time.

Wolfgang622 wrote:oh dear.

Somebody really ought to pull him aside and tell him it’s time.

Why do all of these dog-faced pieces of shit Democrats keep getting in Joe’s way while he’s trying to compassionately heal our country?

I served with a pony soldier, I knew a pony soldier, a pony soldier was a friend of mine. You, ma’am, are no pony soldier.

lying dog-faced pony soldier:

I think that's a Tom Waits song

BLOOMENTUM

Augustus wrote:After impeachment, Trump has 94% approval among Republicans. Of that 6%, some are those who are "concerned" about his behavior but will vote for him anyway, and others are those who will skip the presidential election or vote third party, but never vote for a Democrat. Please forget about these people. This is the bizarre 2004 mentality that still infects this political party. It leads you to things like picking Tim Kaine as a running mate and not campaigning in Wisconsin.

Groups the Democrats should actually be targeting:
-2 time Obama voters who broke for Trump
-African American and young voters who stayed home in 2016

This is a bit of a strawman. Dems shouldn't focus on winning over Republicans as a whole per se, but picking Trump's best poll among Republicans to illustrate outreach to the center right is useless is not gonna do a lot for your point.

People who voted Romney/Clinton or Romney/Johnson and Dem in the midterms or sat out the midterms are a group Democrats should care about. And these are not going to be people who like Bernie. These are the people who flipped to Dems in suburban districts in Michigan and Georgia and Pennsylvania and a governor's race in Wisconsin and won a Senate seat in Arizona. Not saying if you think the policy outcomes from nominating Bernie are that much better than those if you nominate Biden that it's not worth the risk. But it's a real group.

I 100% wanted Hillary to win in 2016 and almost literally puked when the returns started rolling in. I am personally meaningless as I live in DC and will be voting 3rd party regardless, but I'd prefer Biden/Buttiegieg/Klobuchar/Bloomberg as president to Trump, but would pretty fucking easily root for Trump over Sanders. I'm not going to pretend I'm a useful part of the American electorate since I hate everyone, but I do think Bernie would run behind Biden or Klobuchar in Chester County or Oakland County and it might make a difference.

What will be will be, but people talking up Sanders' electability case in a general election are for the most part supporting him in the primary and making post hoc excuses for doing so.

jerseyhoya wrote:BLOOMENTUM

His crash will be spectacular

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:BLOOMENTUM

His crash will be spectacular

He won Dixville Notch!

(I still don't really get why he's running)

That Bloomberg tape..............ouch.

jerseyhoya wrote:

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:BLOOMENTUM

His crash will be spectacular

He won Dixville Notch!

(I still don't really get why he's running)

Because two of the top three candidates are coming for his money and that third top candidate is looking weak.

Brantt wrote:That Bloomberg tape..............ouch.

TBF your preferred candidate has said the same thing

CalvinBall wrote:

Brantt wrote:That Bloomberg tape..............ouch.

TBF your preferred candidate has said the same thing

Yeah, but I'm not "woke." Bloomy's voting base is.

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

Brantt wrote:That Bloomberg tape..............ouch.

TBF your preferred candidate has said the same thing

Yeah, but I'm not "woke." Bloomy's voting base is.

maybe he is trying to appeal to you

I don’t think anyone who is “woke” has Bloomberg as a preferred candidate.

From the Republican perspective, if you're opposed to locking kids in cages and not giving them a toothbrush or a mattress, you're woke.

It's important to always keep that in mind by the way--for Republicans, cruelty is the point. It has been that way for some time.

Brantt wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

Brantt wrote:That Bloomberg tape..............ouch.

TBF your preferred candidate has said the same thing

Yeah, but I'm not "woke." Bloomy's voting base is.

Solid self-own of indifference.