Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby momadance » Thu Sep 19, 2019 13:28:20

JUburton wrote:Only took like 225 years for an executive branch to figure out that you can do whatever the fuck you want when you're the one controlling all of the enforcement arms.


It's definitely going to leak.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby The Sarge » Thu Sep 19, 2019 14:55:46

momadance wrote:The briefing is over. The DOJ won't allow the IG to hand over the complaint.

SCHIFF: “We do not have the complaint. We do not know whether the press reports are accurate or inaccurate.”



Thats fine. Impeach him. They are clearly hiding something.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:30:27

JUburton wrote:Only took like 225 years for an executive branch to figure out that you can do whatever the fuck you want when you're the one controlling all of the enforcement arms.

Or, when your system relies on the principles of the people acting within it. That is a systemic weakness that is hard to protect against proactively, although we've done a good job thus far as a country.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:31:09

momadance wrote:Schiff: The IG is trying to follow the law and is not being authorized by DNI and DOJ to share complaint with Congress. “Someone is trying to manipulate the system” to keep complaint from Congress.

The few, the proud.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby momadance » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:37:40

WASHINGTON — A potentially explosive complaint by a whistle-blower in the intelligence community said to involve President Trump was related to a series of actions that goes beyond any single discussion with a foreign leader, according to interviews on Thursday.

The complaint was related to multiple acts, Michael Atkinson, the inspector general for American spy agencies, told lawmakers during a private briefing, two officials familiar with it said. But he declined to discuss specifics, including whether the complaint involved the president, according to committee members.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/19/us/p ... trump.html

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:40:41

We won't have to worry about immigration when nobody wants to move here anymore.

Guess I should learn the words to Oh Cananda
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Sep 19, 2019 15:54:18

Uncle Milty wrote:We won't have to worry about immigration when nobody wants to move here anymore.

Guess I should learn the words to Oh Cananda

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby traderdave » Thu Sep 19, 2019 16:06:28

This is what happens when people are more interested in playing politics and protecting their boss rather than protecting the country or, at least, protecting the office. I would like to think there is a Trumpian somewhere that loves his or her country more than letting Trump get away with all he is getting away with; a Mark Felt type.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Squire » Thu Sep 19, 2019 17:41:59

Maybe I'm not understanding the situation very well. I mean.....what exactly is stopping the actual whistleblower from just going public? Is he trying to protect his government job? his safety? In this day and age he's going to make probably 10 years worth of government salary in speaking fees, appearance fees and book advances?

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Sep 19, 2019 17:48:09

prison

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby momadance » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:02:53

Houshphandzadeh wrote:prison


This. He has to follow the process. He/She more than likely has a high level TS clearance. So everything involved in the complaint deals with the legality of handling such information. Mark Felt would have gone to prison if the DOJ knew he was Deep Throat.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:09:14

Don’t worry Schiff will sue to obtain it haha
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby JUburton » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:18:46

Werthless wrote:
JUburton wrote:Only took like 225 years for an executive branch to figure out that you can do whatever the fuck you want when you're the one controlling all of the enforcement arms.

Or, when your system relies on the principles of the people acting within it. That is a systemic weakness that is hard to protect against proactively, although we've done a good job thus far as a country.
That's what I'm saying. The system was not designed for leaders with these morals. It needs to be safeguarded by more than norms and the consciences of the people in charge. So it needs to change.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:27:45

I’m not sure this whistleblower would go to prison just for blowing the whistle in public on this conduct. The point of the whistleblower law is to allow reports without the whistleblower fearing retribution. If this person were also to divulge classified info or commit some other crime that’s another case. But, at least right now, we know only that this person is using the whistleblower law to report some activity and to do so without retribution, not necessarily to divulge classified info.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:31:13

We have a president that doesn't believe in the Constitution. That's hard to overcome.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby Werthless » Thu Sep 19, 2019 18:33:35

JFLNYC wrote:I’m not sure this whistleblower would go to prison just for blowing the whistle in public on this conduct. The point of the whistleblower law is to allow reports without the whistleblower fearing retribution. If this person were also to divulge classified info or commit some other crime that’s another case. But, at least right now, we know only that this person is using the whistleblower law to report some activity and to do so without retribution, not necessarily to divulge classified info.

This info is likely classified.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Sep 19, 2019 19:54:17

There’s no evidence (yet) of that. What we (may) know is that it involved a “promise” from Trump to a foreign leader on a phone call.
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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby momadance » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:06:07

It's coming from the NDI. It's pretty much a 100% chance that there are classified national security implications. You're not retaining Andrew Bakaj as your lawyer for non security clearance matters.

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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby momadance » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:20:15


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Re: Politics: Fine Politicians on Both Sides

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Sep 19, 2019 20:24:17

It could have national security implications without involving classified information. The most recent report is that it involved the Ukraine and could (possibly) be a promise from Trump in exchange for information about and/or an investigation into Joe Biden. There’s no reason at this moment to assume classified information is involved, especially since the President has virtually unfettered authority to declassify information.
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