“Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind!” Trump said, referring to the energy policies of his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton. “If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, okay?”

He imitated the blades of a wind turbine turning.

“And of course, it’s like a graveyard for birds,” he added. “If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill.”

TomatoPie wrote:I love Joe.

He's done nothing wrong here in terms of his handsiness.

But he is a dinosaur.

I'm old, and I had a bunch of aunts and uncles - "old world" types - who hugged and kissed everybody. Joe is not creepy, he's just old Uncle Joe from another era.

I'm old. I'm old enough that I understand Uncle Joe. He'd make me squirm a little too, but I know he is harmless and means well with all the up close stuff.

But today's young'uns have been taught that it's never OK to touch another person unless you've negotiated extensively first.

When we (properly) drew lines about inappropriate touching, we also swept out the innocent, the loving, the useful touching. The humanity.

To them, Joe is a creeper. No amount of logic will change that perception.

momadance wrote:

“Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind!” Trump said, referring to the energy policies of his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton. “If you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations, your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, okay?”

He imitated the blades of a wind turbine turning.

“And of course, it’s like a graveyard for birds,” he added. “If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill.”

JFLNYC wrote:I’m old, too.

All through my life people have touched me and I’ve touched others in friendly, non-sexual ways. I’ve been held and hugged and have held and hugged others. I’ve put my arm around someone’s shoulders or held someone’s hand and have had those things done to me. There were times when I was hugged or touched in some manner which might have made me a bit uncomfortable and I’m sure there were times when it felt awkward for others, too.

But I can’t adequately express how much better, warmer and more fulfilling life is when the default attitude is that human touch is welcomed. If it’s unwelcome in a particular circumstance then something can be said or we can walk away. But I’m very, very glad I’ve spent my life being open to the possibility of the goodness, warmth and love of the human touch — even from strangers — than being constantly on my guard against it.

I don’t expect everyone to understand and agree and, frankly, I couldn’t care less. I’ve been blessed to have lived a life filled to this day with warm human emotional and physical interaction. I literally wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world.