Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby 06hawkalum » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:55:05

thephan wrote:The pension is indeed dead for most everyone still in service. TSP has performed well with very reasonable fees, and they have taught people how to wisely invest.

I've been told that the health care has gotten harder to get/the deal is not as good as it was.

WRT ThreeCount, I did not know he was an IRS employee otherwise I would have chosen different words. I was simply trying to invoke the general training that the public has received to mistrust and hate Feds. That has been truly shameful.


You are thinking of the old school CSRS pension which was closed to new employees over 30 years ago. Current feds, including new hires, are enrolled in the "new" pension system called FERS. You get 1% of your "high 3" for every year you work, 1.1% per year if you wait until age 62 to retire. Most careerists therefore end up with a pension that replaces 30-40% of their salary. Not great, but still a nice perk. Pension + Social Security ends up replacing about 70%-80% of a Federal retiree's high 3, which is right in line with what the old school CSRS pension paid.

Keep in mind that those under CSRS contribute 7% of their income to the pension system and do not receive Social Security benefits. Most current Federal employees are grandfathered in under a plan by which they contribute 0.8% to the FERS system and 6.2% to Social Security, so the total contribution is equal.

On top of that, employees enrolled in FERs also get a 100% match on the first 5% of their salary that they contribute to the TSP.

All told, an argument can certainly be made that FERS is a more generous pension system than CSRS.

With that said, I agree with your main point, which is that the GOP has turned the public against public servants. It's despicable.
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby Slowhand » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:11:07

Werthless wrote:Can you imagine working for the IRS, introducing yourself at parties, and always getting the same few comments back? That is probably the worst part of the job. It's like going through life with a name like Michael Bolton, or Isis. The repetitiveness would get to me.


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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:35:52

McSally to take over the McCain seat as was assumed.
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby threecount » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:51:49

06hawkalum wrote:
thephan wrote:The pension is indeed dead for most everyone still in service. TSP has performed well with very reasonable fees, and they have taught people how to wisely invest.

I've been told that the health care has gotten harder to get/the deal is not as good as it was.

WRT ThreeCount, I did not know he was an IRS employee otherwise I would have chosen different words. I was simply trying to invoke the general training that the public has received to mistrust and hate Feds. That has been truly shameful.


You are thinking of the old school CSRS pension which was closed to new employees over 30 years ago. Current feds, including new hires, are enrolled in the "new" pension system called FERS. You get 1% of your "high 3" for every year you work, 1.1% per year if you wait until age 62 to retire. Most careerists therefore end up with a pension that replaces 30-40% of their salary. Not great, but still a nice perk. Pension + Social Security ends up replacing about 70%-80% of a Federal retiree's high 3, which is right in line with what the old school CSRS pension paid.

Keep in mind that those under CSRS contribute 7% of their income to the pension system and do not receive Social Security benefits. Most current Federal employees are grandfathered in under a plan by which they contribute 0.8% to the FERS system and 6.2% to Social Security, so the total contribution is equal.

On top of that, employees enrolled in FERs also get a 100% match on the first 5% of their salary that they contribute to the TSP.

All told, an argument can certainly be made that FERS is a more generous pension system than CSRS.

With that said, I agree with your main point, which is that the GOP has turned the public against public servants. It's despicable.



Bwahahaha...yes, thanks all...just "celebrated" my 27th year of employment at the IRS...needed a job out of college thinking it would be temporary and I have been there ever since...it's true...the pay sucks and not much room for advancement unless you decide to go into management or on the streets as a revenue agent...I do like the benefits though...with my years in service, I now get one day off(8 hours annual/vacation time) every two weeks and four hours "sick" time every two weeks..

Salary hasn't really increased besides the cost of living increase(about 1.9 percent this year) but of course that has been offset by increase of insurance costs, ect. however that is same in almost every other job out there..everyone understands that..

Of course I got dirty looks and comments when people I meet find out I work for IRS however I do enjoy helping my friends and family members whenever they have a problem or question...

I'm on the phone with taxpayers on average five hours of a work week answering questions...the rest of the time I am working my inventory...Most taxpayers are very friendly or scared and just want to be pointed in the right direction as to what is needed or understand the mistake that was being questioned..in most cases, I feel bad for the taxpayers as unfortunately it was mistakes made by Preparer or "bad" preparers who close up shop and are no longer there when the taxpayer is being audited for credits or deductions they are not entitled to.

It does get frustrating seeing our President or Fox News continue to attack us as if all 85,000 employees are Lois Lerner...we don't make the laws..Congress does and we just have to implement them.

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:53:41

slugsrbad wrote:McSally to take over the McCain seat as was assumed.

But she gave such a nice message after she lost!

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby traderdave » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:58:08

Speaking of messages:

@realDonaldTrump
I hope the people over at the Fed will read today’s Wall Street Journal Editorial before they make yet another mistake. Also, don’t let the market become any more illiquid than it already is. Stop with the 50 B’s. Feel the market, don’t just go by meaningless numbers. Good luck!
4:13 AM - 18 Dec 2018

Gee, who do I trust more on economic matters, the people who study the topic for a living or the guy who bankrupted all his casinos?

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:58:39

Trump is shutting down his charity and giving the money to judge-approved charities.
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:10:03

The thing about the IRS people should keep in mind is that demonizing means it's politically easier to understaff it, which means you might not get your refund as quickly as you'd like (though I've never had a problem with that) but more importantly, when you do have a question and need to talk to someone like threecount, your hold time is likely to be longer. It becomes more inconvenient to resolve issues. I also remember reading somewhere that adequately funding the IRS would mean higher levels of compliance with tax laws, which would in fact help reduce the deficit. (And sure, that means some people would pay more taxes, but complaining about that seems like complaining about DUI checkpoints--not paying taxes is against the law, and the victims are the honest taxpayers.)

If there's a problem, it's that the IRS seems to go after little people, because they're much less likely to be able to defend themselves rather than the Trumps of the world.
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby threecount » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:25:06

TenuredVulture wrote:The thing about the IRS people should keep in mind is that demonizing means it's politically easier to understaff it, which means you might not get your refund as quickly as you'd like (though I've never had a problem with that) but more importantly, when you do have a question and need to talk to someone like threecount, your hold time is likely to be longer. It becomes more inconvenient to resolve issues. I also remember reading somewhere that adequately funding the IRS would mean higher levels of compliance with tax laws, which would in fact help reduce the deficit. (And sure, that means some people would pay more taxes, but complaining about that seems like complaining about DUI checkpoints--not paying taxes is against the law, and the victims are the honest taxpayers.)

If there's a problem, it's that the IRS seems to go after little people, because they're much less likely to be able to defend themselves rather than the Trumps of the world.


Agreed...our staffing has been cut and in fact we are at lowest employment since the 1960's...that's fine if you want to do that, however the tax gap continues to increase and the revenue has to be collected...the average wait time for the callers I deal with is 75 minutes and believe me I feel horrible..

We have tried new things like where people can go to a local office and talk to an examiner via a Skype like machine...they can literally hold up their documents to the camera or fax it in at that moment while talking to an examiner but very few people took advantage of that...we have a similar thing now where taxpayers under audit can send info to a web portal and it's seen by examiner within the next day..again, very few use that as an option when it's given to them...

In this day of hacking and bad security, people have trust issues which I certainly understand...we never all taxpayers out of the blue..only after they send coorespondence in..however with the scams going on, very few people answer the phone or want to talk, even after giving us their number...so instead of answering questions over phone, I have to prepare and send out notice, which just adds to cycle time and it goes on and on...

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby pacino » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:48:31

Werthless wrote:Can you imagine working for the IRS, introducing yourself at parties, and always getting the same few comments back? That is probably the worst part of the job. It's like going through life with a name like Michael Bolton, or Isis. The repetitiveness would get to me.

I can imagine. I work for Human Services (welfare).
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby momadance » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:48:57

Trump apparently backing off from his $5b wall demand.

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby The Sarge » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:49:01

Werthless wrote:Can you imagine working for the IRS, introducing yourself at parties, and always getting the same few comments back? That is probably the worst part of the job. It's like going through life with a name like Michael Bolton, or Isis. The repetitiveness would get to me.


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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby pacino » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:49:59

CalvinBall wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:McSally to take over the McCain seat as was assumed.

But she gave such a nice message after she lost!

Even when you lose, you win
thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

Calvinball wrote:Pacino was right.

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby JUburton » Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:50:22

pacino wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
slugsrbad wrote:McSally to take over the McCain seat as was assumed.

But she gave such a nice message after she lost!

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Dec 18, 2018 13:10:12

Judge is ripping into Flynn at his hearing. Saying eh sold out the country and basically calls him a traitor.
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Dec 18, 2018 13:39:38

Judge Sullivan was so harsh that Flynn took a break to speak with lawyers

Sullivan has been built up by Hannity and Fox as such a great judge that will expose the FBI and he is going on asking if Flynn could have been charged with Treason
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Dec 18, 2018 13:40:36

Flynn has returned to the courtroom after a recess. He is sitting quietly in his chair between his lawyers. Not smiling
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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby jerseyhoya » Tue Dec 18, 2018 13:59:43

The judge asking if Flynn should've been tried for treason is embarrassing

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby Werthless » Tue Dec 18, 2018 14:00:43

TenuredVulture wrote:If there's a problem, it's that the IRS seems to go after little people, because they're much less likely to be able to defend themselves rather than the Trumps of the world.

I don't get the sense that's true. I assume audits are generally heavily directed at business owners who write off a bunch of stuff. They are not going to audit people for smallish amounts unless it's an egregious mistake.

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Re: Politics: Promises Made, Hush Money Paid

Postby Bucky » Tue Dec 18, 2018 14:06:49

Werthless wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:If there's a problem, it's that the IRS seems to go after little people, because they're much less likely to be able to defend themselves rather than the Trumps of the world.

I don't get the sense that's true. I assume audits are generally heavily directed at business owners who write off a bunch of stuff. They are not going to audit people for smallish amounts unless it's an egregious mistake.



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