Philly the Kid wrote:two parties are two halves of same problem

this makes some fair points, democrats have definitely become more of a corporate, centrist party that doesn't really look out for workers. in a time of such absurd income inquality, it should be easy for dems to appeal to middle class and poor people, and yet, they don't

i know the GOP are basically evil, and obstructed obama's agenda at every turn possible. but people don't really care about that, they only care that obamacare did not help them personally. dem messaging on obamacare was awful from the start, and it allowed GOP to kind of set the narrative. people hated it right up until trump got elected and GOP threatened to take it away. now everyone wants single payer! literally every dem is ready to stand up for obamacare and even push for single payer... where was this enthusiasm for ACA/single payer the last 8 years?

the republicans are a hard right party now that rode a wave of frustrated populism (and a whole lotta racism) into power, but their whole agenda is basically stuff common people hate: deregulate, cut corporate taxes, gut social safety nets, gut public education, the list just goes on and on. how can dems not capitalize on the fact that the GOP agenda is actually massively unpopular?

Warszawa wrote:Let's go nuclear says a wapo opinion piece

"Democrats — with or without a handful of Republican allies, but preferably with them — can basically try to grind the Senate to a halt, by refusing cooperation on any legislation or nominations or anything, until GOP leaders and/or the White House agree to some form of independent investigation. “Every time they’re asked to cooperate on something, this needs to be front and center,” Wittes says. “They needs to be focused like a laser beam on that every time they’re asked to give unanimous consent.”

they should definitely do this, it would energize the dem base. people are desperate for them to fight back

Philly the Kid wrote:two parties are two halves of same problem

didn't read this yet but have I thanked you lately for all of your pre-election, idiotic both sides are evil it doesn't matter who wins maaan dipshittery?

WaPo reporting THIRTY FBI sources state that Comey firing was in anger over his refusal to end Russia investigation

Nah dude, emails.

td11 wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:two parties are two halves of same problem

this makes some fair points, democrats have definitely become more of a corporate, centrist party that doesn't really look out for workers. in a time of such absurd income inquality, it should be easy for dems to appeal to middle class and poor people, and yet, they don't

i know the GOP are basically evil, and obstructed obama's agenda at every turn possible. but people don't really care about that, they only care that obamacare did not help them personally. dem messaging on obamacare was awful from the start, and it allowed GOP to kind of set the narrative. people hated it right up until trump got elected and GOP threatened to take it away. now everyone wants single payer! literally every dem is ready to stand up for obamacare and even push for single payer... where was this enthusiasm for ACA/single payer the last 8 years?

the republicans are a hard right party now that rode a wave of frustrated populism (and a whole lotta racism) into power, but their whole agenda is basically stuff common people hate: deregulate, cut corporate taxes, gut social safety nets, gut public education, the list just goes on and on. how can dems not capitalize on the fact that the GOP agenda is actually massively unpopular?

the one bold makes the other pretty hard to do

i think democrats' messaging can be poor but they're also not near as bad as i think a lot are making them out to be. i don't think I'm bad or have poor policy ideas. there are politicians that have been working on issues that impact people and have been implementing policy that works. it may not be as left as you want, but BS like equating the two parties just makes it harder to push left, imo. we see what happened with this past election...we're not moving left right now. we're not progressing.

pacino wrote:

td11 wrote:

Philly the Kid wrote:two parties are two halves of same problem

this makes some fair points, democrats have definitely become more of a corporate, centrist party that doesn't really look out for workers. in a time of such absurd income inquality, it should be easy for dems to appeal to middle class and poor people, and yet, they don't

i know the GOP are basically evil, and obstructed obama's agenda at every turn possible. but people don't really care about that, they only care that obamacare did not help them personally. dem messaging on obamacare was awful from the start, and it allowed GOP to kind of set the narrative. people hated it right up until trump got elected and GOP threatened to take it away. now everyone wants single payer! literally every dem is ready to stand up for obamacare and even push for single payer... where was this enthusiasm for ACA/single payer the last 8 years?

the republicans are a hard right party now that rode a wave of frustrated populism (and a whole lotta racism) into power, but their whole agenda is basically stuff common people hate: deregulate, cut corporate taxes, gut social safety nets, gut public education, the list just goes on and on. how can dems not capitalize on the fact that the GOP agenda is actually massively unpopular?

the one bold makes the other pretty hard to do

i think democrats' messaging can be poor but they're also not near as bad as i think a lot are making them out to be. i don't think I'm bad or have poor policy ideas. there are politicians that have been working on issues that impact people and have been implementing policy that works. it may not be as left as you want, but BS like equating the two parties just makes it harder to push left, imo. we see what happened with this past election...we're not moving left right now. we're not progressing.

no way am i equating the two parties and you know that (i hope). republicans are hard right, and democrats are centrists. there is a massive gulf between the two policy-wise and in how they govern. that much is established.

the frustration comes from always seeing Dems compromise on their ideals to accomodate the GOP. with the breakneck pace at which the GOP has broken and destroyed norms (and then turned around and accuse dems of it), dems really don't need to adhere to any unspoken rules of civility and decorum. when dems were in power they were happy to make incremental progress-- and now a huge chunk of it is about to be wiped out because Rs don't give a shit about unspoken rules and norms.

i do think elected Dems need to get more creative and figure out better ways to message and oppose the GOP-- one example recently that i really like is some dem reps have held town halls for GOP reps who are refusing to have them.

guys I don't wanna pull rank but I have been a more enthusiastic supporter of sane health coverage system reform since before any of you were born....

but right now the important thing is to do everything possible to shitcan the traitor pissing in the white house toilets every day (I bet he sits to pee also which is an additional motivator). I encourage you all to set the "evil of both parties" aside for a few days and focus on cheering whomever is looking to kick the drumpf mob's flaccid asses to the curb

i agree but you can't pull rank on PTK who started this whole mess. i think he was in a chapter of the black panthers in the early 70s

Long been of the opinion there's no direct tie in to Trump with the Russia stuff where this may bring him down. Page or maybe even Manafort perhaps, but Trump unscathed (and not just legally - not actively involved at all).

Still think that and his handling of Comey is most likely a product of him being a gigantic thin skinned baby who doesn't understand separation of powers and the vital importance of an independent Justice Department and other such things. But am more open to the idea that he's actively trying to cover something up than I was 36 hours ago.

wwry wrote:i agree but you can't pull rank on PTK who started this whole mess. i think he was in a chapter of the black panthers in the early 70s

lmao

Still this was all worth it for Gorsuch.

wwry wrote:i agree but you can't pull rank on PTK who started this whole mess. i think he was in a chapter of the black panthers in the early 70s

I met PTK at this bar in the Tenderloin in San Francisco called Night Cap. He had a skull pinky ring and really expensive looking goth shoes. He was kinda queeny and talking about how America was over. At least I tell myself it was him- that would be so cool.

if he was in leather pants it was definitely buzz bissinger

jerseyhoya wrote:Long been of the opinion there's no direct tie in to Trump with the Russia stuff where this may bring him down. Page or maybe even Manafort perhaps, but Trump unscathed (and not just legally - not actively involved at all).

drumpfs best legal option will be to play the Ken Lay (Enron) "I was officially in charge but had absolutely no fucking idea what was going on ever" card.

or maybe give up Jared. He wants his daughter for himself anyway (never mind Jared, it's drumpftown)

He's filthy, as is Pence, around the Flynn coverup; question is whether Pence can find a way to put this all on dumbass.

Your team's upperclassmen better catch wise, Jerz, or they'll end up on the wrong side of this sordid history. Even Mo Brooks sounded persuadable earlier tonight.....

Steve Schmidt finally draws the drumpf/Captain Queeg analogy I've been waiting for someone to make. Schmidt sounds quite concerned that no Republican has the balls to play the Van Johnson part.


Problem with the Caine Mutiny analogy is that Queeg is reputed to have once been competent, making the virtue of the mutineers' actions much more ambiguous. Same can't credibly said of drumpf.

Rosenstein threatened to resign:

https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/statu ... 4791890944

I can't keep up anymore

I said it this morning: Trump played him for a chump just like he did with Nunes. He's way out of his league.

JFLNYC wrote:I said it this morning: Trump played him for a chump just like he did with Nunes. He's way out of his league.

Except he's in charge of the Russia investigation. And he can appoint a special prosecutor.

While Trump can fire him, doing so will absolutely light Congress on fire in pursuing Trump.

Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse