pacino wrote:The ones who voted for him for the supreme court justice are the ones to watch, imo. they may stay home in 2018. Democrats need to get out voters with policies that will help them.

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mozartpc27 wrote:And to be honest, I am not sure why any democrat, from a purely strategic view, wants the man impeached.

There's the less chance of everybody dying aspect

Yes, Pence is less likely to drop us into nuclear war, IMO.

I'll expand on why, if you are an American, you should want Trump should be removed from office ASAP.

All throughout 2016 on BSG, many folks were beating the drum about normalizing Trump's abhorrent behavior. He attacked the impartiality of a judge based on his ethnicity, encouraged violence at his rallies, suggested that his opponent should be in jail, and just said whatever popped into his mind with no thought about the foreign policy consequences. He exhibited a gleeful lack of curiosity on policy, and was proud of his ignorance on many issues. That's part of what people liked about him, that he said what was on his mind with no filter. He disregarded the traditional norms of behavior that we expect from someone running for President, and some people loved it. He was an outsider.

What has made America great? It's our norms and institutions. Our optimism. Our sense of independence, our moral compass. Our respect for law, and our separation of powers. Our traditional support of free markets over one favoring collusion and cartels.

The sooner Trump is out of office, the sooner that any replacement can go back to supporting the American institutional belief systems of respect for the rule of law, judicial independence, freedom of the press, respect for women and minorities, etc. Even if Pence is not ideal for liberal folks, Trump is awful for America, and erodes the principles that make America great. Elections have consequences, and 4 years of Republican control is the consequence of the 2016 loss. Let's hope it's not 4 years of Trump eroding our international standing, and weakening the traditions that have led to American excellence.

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Soren wrote:Mike "duly elected despite losing the popular vote by 3+ million" Pence is going to do great things for the LGBTQ community. The damage done to this country already is so demoralizing. But hey, at least jh might not have to worry so much about icky abortions!

You nailed it

Soren wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

Soren wrote:Mike "duly elected despite losing the popular vote by 3+ million" Pence is going to do great things for the LGBTQ community. The damage done to this country already is so demoralizing. But hey, at least jh might not have to worry so much about icky abortions!

You nailed it

I thought so!

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Werthless wrote:

Werthless wrote:

Grotewold wrote:

mozartpc27 wrote:And to be honest, I am not sure why any democrat, from a purely strategic view, wants the man impeached.

There's the less chance of everybody dying aspect

Yes, Pence is less likely to drop us into nuclear war, IMO.

I'll expand on why, if you are an American, you should want Trump should be removed from office ASAP.

All throughout 2016 on BSG, many folks were beating the drum about normalizing Trump's abhorrent behavior. He attacked the impartiality of a judge based on his ethnicity, encouraged violence at his rallies, suggested that his opponent should be in jail, and just said whatever popped into his mind with no thought about the foreign policy consequences. He exhibited a gleeful lack of curiosity on policy, and was proud of his ignorance on many issues. That's part of what people liked about him, that he said what was on his mind with no filter. He disregarded the traditional norms of behavior that we expect from someone running for President, and some people loved it. He was an outsider.

What has made America great? It's our norms and institutions. Our optimism. Our sense of independence, our moral compass. Our respect for law, and our separation of powers. Our traditional support of free markets over one favoring collusion and cartels.

The sooner Trump is out of office, the sooner that any replacement can go back to supporting the American institutional belief systems of respect for the rule of law, judicial independence, freedom of the press, respect for women and minorities, etc. Even if Pence is not ideal for liberal folks, Trump is awful for America, and erodes the principles that make America great. Elections have consequences, and 4 years of Republican control is the consequence of the 2016 loss. Let's hope it's not 4 years of Trump eroding our international standing, and weakening the traditions that have led to American excellence.

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