Pour One Out For The Comey - Politics Thread

by **JFLNYC** » Wed May 10, 2017 23:54:51

I wish I could be sure of that.

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed May 10, 2017 23:57:02

drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

Worse in what way

by **td11** » Thu May 11, 2017 00:09:17

@alexweprin
Vladimir Putin personally asked President Trump to host Russia's foreign minister in Oval Office, per Susan Glasser: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... tin-215124

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 05:04:19

td11 wrote:
the republicans are a hard right party now that rode a wave of frustrated populism (and a whole lotta racism) into power, but their whole agenda is basically stuff common people hate: deregulate, cut corporate taxes, gut social safety nets, gut public education, the list just goes on and on. how can dems not capitalize on the fact that the GOP agenda is actually massively unpopular?

That's one of the questions historians will spend an awful lot of time on. The GOP has somehow gotten people to confuse their social issue interest with their economic interest, or at least to prioritize their social issue interest. I have no idea how anyone with more than a couple brain cells cannot see which party is at least making some effort to help the little guy. It certainly isn't the GOP.

Personally, I've been increasingly disappointed in the dem party and their approach to banking and a few other issues, but I can see there's a big difference between what dems will try to pass and what reps will try to pass. Reps are absolutely craven and obvious with their disdain for the american worker. People need to start thinking and stop feeling long enough to see what's happening.

I have mixed feelings about Sanders, but he's the type of guy who could turn the tide, I think.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 05:17:26

jerseyhoya wrote:Long been of the opinion there's no direct tie in to Trump with the Russia stuff where this may bring him down. Page or maybe even Manafort perhaps, but Trump unscathed (and not just legally - not actively involved at all).

Still think that and his handling of Comey is most likely a product of him being a gigantic thin skinned baby who doesn't understand separation of powers and the vital importance of an independent Justice Department and other such things. But am more open to the idea that he's actively trying to cover something up than I was 36 hours ago.

I understand what you're saying, but he's been proven to be a money launderer many times over and he's broken all kinds of laws over the years and magically seems to avoid responsibility beyond some fines. He has no problem breaking the law and he has no problem working with criminals, russian ones at that, behind the scenes. What makes you think he's not involved? Everyone around him seems to be involved. He's been involved in breaking the law in the past. Why is this different?

To answer my own question a bit, maybe he was kept out of the loop for plausible deniability purposes (like Reagan)? Maybe he was told what was going on, but was asked not to participate so that he could avoid being impeached?

I guess these things are possible, but it seems like the simplest explanation is that he's also dirty and involved. I see NOTHING that says otherwise beyond he's too stupid. Well, he's stupid like a fox because he's been breaking the law and ripping people off for a generation.

IMHO, the clusterfuck going on around him seems exactly like the type of thing he would be involved in. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding the view that he's not involved when everything seems to point to him being involved. At the very least, he seems to know what's going on, which is just as bad given his position and the fact that he's not doing anything about it.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 05:21:50

drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

exactly. Especially since they will tie McGabe to Hillary. That's the play, I think.

by **pacino** » Thu May 11, 2017 07:29:39

this is going to be about real estate and money laundering

by **drsmooth** » Thu May 11, 2017 07:44:48

jerseyhoya wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

Worse in what way

McCabe was the Preibus whisperer: "That NYTimes story (about Trump associates/Russia ties)? It's BS"

except it wasn't BS. McCabe's tainted. He has a taint. An easy-to-seat FBI director, he ain't.

by **drsmooth** » Thu May 11, 2017 07:45:26

Monkeyboy wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

exactly. Especially since they will tie McGabe to Hillary. That's the play, I think.

the what now?

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:14:49

pacino wrote:this is going to be about real estate and money laundering

what is this referring to?

by **slugsrbad** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:17:27

CalvinBall wrote:
pacino wrote:this is going to be about real estate and money laundering

what is this referring to?

I assume that Pac is supposing that the ties to Russia isn't the sexy treason/collusion to elect Trump/ruin Hillary (though that was an obvious Russian aim), but a bunch of dirty million and billionaires attempting to get money through less than savory means with the Russian oligarchy.

by **JUburton** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:17:28

http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript

dear...god...

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:24:47

pacino wrote:this is going to be about real estate and money laundering

I've said all along this is about money laundering when it comes to Trump. The others seem to be guilty of something far worse. I do think, however, that Trump has a good idea what's going on at this point, so I think he's been complicit. I doubt he goes down for that though.

And I think the money laundering has ties to the russian mob. We'll see about that part.

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:25:45

drsmooth wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

exactly. Especially since they will tie McGabe to Hillary. That's the play, I think.

the what now?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... andal.html

by **thephan** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:29:29

drsmooth wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
drsmooth wrote:Appointing McCabe (Comey's interim replacement)to replace Comey could be worse

exactly. Especially since they will tie McGabe to Hillary. That's the play, I think.

the what now?

1. McGabe's wife ran for office in old Virginny, with the Clintons and the 9I think) current VA Governor as big supporters emotionally, personally, and financially.

2. McGabe is under investigation as part of the Clinton emails stuff. One of lots of stories about this twist.

Its pretty shrewd to put a guy in charge that has to recuse himself because he has ties to 'the enemy'.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:33:44

JUburton wrote:http://www.economist.com/Trumptranscript

dear...god...

he picks up on one or two things in these meetings and he just repeats ad nauseam.

timber, let me tell you.

trade deficits! nafta is bad!

by **Monkeyboy** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:34:47

Yup, the press will spend another 2-3 weeks or longer talking about McGabe and Hillary's emails.

Everything is tied to those emails. (Bannon throws dust in the air and slips out of the room)

It's hard to know who to blame more, the GOP Congress letting Trump getting away with this stuff, the press for examining every shiny object the Trump team throws out to obscure the situation, or the voters who voted for this lunatic.

by **thephan** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:35:35

Monkeyboy wrote:
pacino wrote:this is going to be about real estate and money laundering

I've said all along this is about money laundering when it comes to Trump. The others seem to be guilty of something far worse. I do think, however, that Trump has a good idea what's going on at this point, so I think he's been complicit. I doubt he goes down for that though.

And I think the money laundering has ties to the russian mob. We'll see about that part.

I think you are 100% correct. Russian money owns Trump and made his fortunes. He was definitely on the ropes as a successful business man that you would willingly do business with after coming out of bankruptcy after bankruptcy, so he was an easy mark. Donald only knows silver spoons, and he was desperate to be a winner so enter the oligarchs (or worse). His son dimed him out, although he denies it now (could have been anyone on that tape).

What the Chinese are to the Kushners, the Russians are to the Trumps. Hell, they even bought him a model (his handler). So his corruption is markedly different then say treasonous activities at this early stage, but he seems pretty clear in returning a favor to people who 'like him', and what says like better then money with few strings visibly attached.

by **CalvinBall** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:37:01

Amazing.

But beyond that it’s OK if the tax plan increases the deficit?
It is OK, because it won’t increase it for long. You may have two years where you’ll…you understand the expression “prime the pump”?

Yes.
We have to prime the pump.

It’s very Keynesian.
We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. Have you heard that expression before, for this particular type of an event?

Priming the pump?
Yeah, have you heard it?

Yes.
Have you heard that expression used before? Because I haven’t heard it. I mean, I just…I came up with it a couple of days ago and I thought it was good. It’s what you have to do.

It’s…
Yeah, what you have to do is you have to put something in before you can get something out.

by **slugsrbad** » Thu May 11, 2017 08:40:14

The economic theory has only been around since 1939 Cal, give him some time.

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